It's only relevant when the bad guy's goal is a dystopia/utopia thoOriginally Posted by Zork Knight
It's only relevant when the bad guy's goal is a dystopia/utopia tho
Pruning isn't instant though.
You, a bad guy, get a period of time before things go kaput.
That's called an epilogue.
Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
Maybe? But a Kirei victory in Fate would have led to a pruning too if I understand right, which also bothers me but there was no moral problems there.
It's something that I need to really wonder why it bugs me so much. Right now it's basically just a gut instinct "I don't like that."
Well, what is the meaning of progress in this setting? How is value assigned to it?
O walls, you have held up so much tedious graffiti that I am amazed you have not already collapsed in ruin.
Things not getting fucked up for one thing
"Only in my company, will you not be a monster"
anywhere than here
Well, yeah. It would make everything that happened pointless. There aren't any stakes then and that bothers me, it really does.
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So what exactly is the difference between a world being destroyed with no hope of recovery just sitting there and that world disappearing after the world reached that point? Sure it can exist, but why let it if it’s just gonna be a hunk of junk floating there?
"An ideal is only an ideal after all. As long as you embrace that ideal, the friction with reality will continue to increase. So you will someday face reality and will have to pay for your compromises"
The period is like 100 years too so yeah.
It wouldn't be the first time someone complained about the heavy handed philosophy of a TM work. Hell, Fate/Zero's philosophical content can basically be summarized as baby's first foray into existential nihilism in a nutshell.
Then again, I always thought the character dynamics, the personal feel of the stories alongside the engrossing atmosphere and superb direction and film-making (like Toa of Gallifrey pointed out) were its best parts, with the lore/philosophy bits as an extra. Hell, there were even shots and sequences that were taken straight out of classic Japanese horror films such as Kiyoshi Kurosawa's works.
Eh, I feel Zero of all works did character dynamics better, and the philosophy was a side-dish. In KnK, the half-baked philosophy vomit was the main bit, and the treatment of characters was...experimental at best, and I feel they were de-emphasized in comparison to whatever point Nasu wanted to make and to the setting as a whole. That isn't to say KnK was all bad, but overall, I felt it kinda fell flat.
The thing is, "good" ends only really matter to the characters involved. As far as we the readers are involved, all that matters is "interesting" ends. A story where Kirei wins, the world is flooded with grailmud and we move on to a Mad Max-style scenario is just as interesting as any one of the " canon" ends where Kirei doesn't win. And while personally I'd just disregard the QTL business and write whatever if I wanted to make a story based on Kirei winning and the world turning into the Mojave Wasteland, it would understandably stump people more dedicated to making their fanfic "canon-compliant". Including TM themselves, although I have no doubts that Nasu can come up with any bullshit excuse he wants to circumvent that.
shit BL says
Once and always and nevermore.
Can't say that I agree with that. Overlooking View and Oblivion Recorder aside, the other 5 movies were all solid in their own ways. Hell, almost the entirety of the 2 hours runtime of KnK 7 was spent on Shiki and Kokutou's relationship and it didn't have some over-dramatic revelation or shocking twist like in Fate/Zero or their UBW series but it was something more slow and carefully delivered.
As long as the dystopia isn't stagnant it's fine.
Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
You just need the right amount of suffering to keep things going.
I hate Nasu's insistence of putting Mexico in "South America"
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I'll keep things simple:
If your country isn't part of the CONMEBOL you aren't South American.
I’ll make it simpler: if your country on the American continent isn’t part of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, the greatest, best country God has ever given man on the face of the Earth, you are South American.
I'll make things even simpler: If you're one of the great national teams that regularly beat the US at Real Football in their own cup then you're north american.
Last edited by JetKinen; December 13th, 2018 at 08:55 PM.
>US of A
>real football
Choose one and only one.
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Actually I guess I'm being unfair. I heard tell there were some decent teams over in Hawaii.
shit BL says
Once and always and nevermore.
The consequences are completely gone if everything is just erased at the end. I don't like the idea of this new thing having some "matter of fact" effect on a finished story that I like in anyway.
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