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    And before him came Enmerkar. And before him, Etapa. And before him, Adapa. And before him some caveman painted on the side of a cave. And before him some Neanderthal depicted as a stick figure ideogram on a wooden log. And before him an Australopithicus legend conveyed through precise hand gestures and modulated hooting. The idea of "oldest hero" is a treacherous and shakey one at best.

    Gil is simply well known as far as truly ancient human hero tales go, while still being obscure enough to be a surprise that can murderise Herakles, while still having an interesting story to tell, while fitting in well thematically for the role he needed to play at the time.

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    I just dispute gil at this point for being called that and somehow getting extra shit added to his gate every few years, first it was prototypes not its conceptual protoypes, the entire tech tree of humanity.
    Can't wait for him to have reality marbles in there.
    Oh and sha nagba.
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    With the way the keep adding shit to gils vault, soon he will have the root in it.

    Life is short, we don't need to shitpost at eachother about nasu.

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    Do you get this mad about Saber and her constant additions? Because if anyone is justified for having power creep over the years it's Gil, given that he is the undisputed Strongest Servant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vagrant View Post
    Do you get this mad about Saber and her constant additions? Because if anyone is justified for having power creep over the years it's Gil, given that he is the undisputed Strongest Servant.
    I do at times yes.
    With the way the keep adding shit to gils vault, soon he will have the root in it.

    Life is short, we don't need to shitpost at eachother about nasu.

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    If you're complaining about Gil being called the oldest when historically he definitely wasn't, Nasu is aware of it and even addressed it.

    They just picked him for the name recognition.

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    In that magazine correct?
    I feel like friggen Ravana or someone been better for it.
    I just hate they went with the logic or 'this guy is one of the oldest so he is the origin of NPs, it cant be a np without it having a origin in the vault' deal.
    With the way the keep adding shit to gils vault, soon he will have the root in it.

    Life is short, we don't need to shitpost at eachother about nasu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ereus View Post
    In that magazine correct?
    I feel like friggen Ravana or someone been better for it.
    I just hate they went with the logic or 'this guy is one of the oldest so he is the origin of NPs, it cant be a np without it having a origin in the vault' deal.
    It wasn't just "the oldest hero so he has all the NPs", but also the legend of him being king of the world and owning all its treasures.

    Don't know enough about Hindu myth to say whether anything similar could be said for Ravana.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoydGolden View Post
    It wasn't just "the oldest hero so he has all the NPs", but also the legend of him being king of the world and owning all its treasures.

    Don't know enough about Hindu myth to say whether anything similar could be said for Ravana.
    Ravana was still rather OP, he was immune to any weapon made by god or demon IIRC hence why rama is human.
    He fought the gods.
    Was it ever said that he had all the treasures in the world in the original myth?
    I cannot think of anyone that had that in any myth now that I think about it, I mean IIRC someone in the mahabarata conquered the world too.
    With the way the keep adding shit to gils vault, soon he will have the root in it.

    Life is short, we don't need to shitpost at eachother about nasu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ereus View Post
    In that magazine correct?
    no?

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    Surprised no one has talked about this

    Quote Originally Posted by CCC
    “It is only natural that you should be dubious.
    The Age of Gods has long since passed, and this planet has already settled into the physical laws humans recognize today.

    To humans, gods are merely the system used to found religions.
    No doubt humans nowadays do not think it plausible for the system to associate with humans.

    Not yet, that is.
    But that is talk of the future.
    You are asking of the past.

    There are two types of gods.
    Those pre-existing that became gods,
    and those who were reborn as gods.

    The gods of Mesopotamia were of the former category.
    Natural phenomena that acquired will and personalities:
    such were the gods of antiquity.

    It was from one of them and a human king that I was created,
    placing me in between the gods of antiquity and those of modernity.”

    Gods of antiquity and gods of modernity, he said.

    So the ancient gods are like those from nature worship, and existed on this planet to begin with,
    whereas modern gods are systems occurring out of human perception and craft.

    I see now why he would say he was “in between” the two.

    If the gods of modernity are inventions of humanity,
    it follows that, as one who was born between a god of antiquity and a human,
    Gilgamesh would be an invention of the gods.
    I've always wondered what type of modern god there is since we are never given concrete examples. But I think the Bunyan even gives an example of a modern god, which is Columbia and Uncle Sam also Columbia's prototype Libertas.
    Columbia is a symbol of American nationalism as well as the personification of the country. It is definitely a system that is given form by humans. Something unlike the gods of antiquity, which sprouted from natural phenomenon.
    Makes you wonder what other "modern" gods there are. Like other than national personifications. Santa Claus? Like does this mean modern gods are kinda like the modern gods in American Gods just less personification but more "need to have a widely accepted cultural image"?

    Buyan event might be a joke event but we got a lot of MURICA lore out of it.
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