Fate/Extella Story and Lore (free range spoilers)

[Altaris]

Karna also already shot a VS before against Charles. So the VS he shot against Arjuna could be the Anti-Army one which is A++ rank

[Iceblade44]

Karna also already shot a VS before against Charles. So the VS he shot against Arjuna could be the Anti-Army one which is A++ rank

Maybe, but it just hit me that in the Moon Cell VS is always A++ anti-army so yeah I didn't consider that.

[Lily Emilio]

One thing to note is that when using the 2nd VS he chants Brahma instead of Indra.

[Wiseman]

One thing to note is that when using the 2nd VS he chants Brahma instead of Indra.

Whats the difference?

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Yes I know and that depends on the np's conceptual effect on a case by case basis. In this case, pashupata effect is sending people to nirvana which doesn't really explain how it managed to cancel out vs.

The actual mythology stuff doesn't really apply in nasuverse. My personal headcanon is that normally Arjuna need to restrain pashupata to prevent too much destruction so it's rank A++. The one he used against Karna is the full power one since there's no reason for him to hold back which is ranked EX and explains Arjuna np parameter being EX rank.

Pashupata is the personal weapon of Shiva, the God of Destruction, and is concept is destroying through judgment of having affinity in Divinity.. Vasavi Shakti is divine weapon made to kill not only Gods but also Divinities. See the Paradox if these two conflicts?

[asterism42]

Werl, they're different gods for a start

[Lily Emilio]

Whats the difference?

Well normally he only chants Brahma (Bonten) when using Brahmastra and Brahmastra Kundala, it's the JP name of the NP. When using K&K or Vasavik Shakti, he chants Surya and Indra. However before using the 2nd Vasavi Shakti, he says that Brahma is watching. It's also noticeable because his new blue-ish costume is called Divine Armament of Brahma (Bonten).

[Kelp24]

I'm guessing the implication is that the Fake VS is some form of Brahmastra Kundala?

[Iceblade44]

I don't think it's necessarily fake. It's still VS, we just don't know what it means when Karna invokes Brahma instead of Indra. Not even if it means it's less powerful or not because Brahma really is as big of a God as Indra if not bigger, though in modern times isn't the most widely worshipped in comparison to Shiva and Vishnu

[Kelp24]

but he's not really giving up the armour for it is it?

[Lily Emilio]

Inb4 Brahma gave him the 2nd armor - that blue costume.

[pinetree]

Extella Link Materials when

[Iceblade44]

So in one of the EX missions it has Darius and Iskandar teaming up as co-bosses. Anyone aware of the story behind it or is it lacking on that.

[Lily Emilio]

Would be good if you have a link to a video. I did not see that one yet.

[Iceblade44]

Haven't seen one, just found out about it through some reading on a gamesite. I'll see if I can find something good when I wake up tomorrow.

[Deathhappens]

looks like a gun sword



amirite

Through time and space I leap, to highlight a Katanagatari reference.

You have done well, You.

[TudyMNX]

As a christian myself i got no problem with jeanu and karl talking with not-god,is passable as diversity and there's nothing wrong with the logic behind it.I can also accept sigurd-siegfried as an outlier and 2 different ppl,even though i think is unnecessary and i'd rather not have it ,and vlad,idk why vlad was thrown around as an example around here cuz he works just fine within the rules .
Meanwhile im not fine with the fictional vs real charlemagne,it makes no sense ,is counterintuitive.If you want to have 2 of them fine u can go for the most straightforward explanation aka one is ruler charlemagne and the other is saber charlemagne.You want to go the extra mile and be fancy and obnoxious and let yourself more open options for the future even though you are not going to do anything in that sense? fine.have multiple versions.saber and ruler charles(young version) and also saber and ruler karl (old version).You want to play the "is an exceptional exception" card again for some pointless reason.. fine,say is smth smth the moon cell fked smth up
You have all these intuitive explications but you choose the unnecessarily convoluted,pretentious and stupid one that will only create more holes and confusion

[fumei]

Is "the moon cell summoned two different aspects of the HS Charlemagne because of reasons, but if you summoned him normally you'd get neither of them, but the proper HS who has parts of both aspects" really that convoluted, pretentious, or stupid?

[TudyMNX]

So is the exception card being played?
Ok then but this is not what i saw in this thread so far,what i saw were multiple ppl advocating for contradictory mumbo jumbo

[Hakuno]

[...]Charles told Hakuno that he is grateful for the servant debut battle, which Hakuno questioned. Because he/she thought that there's no way a heroic spirit with that famous name has never been summoned in a HGW in any parallel worlds. Charles replied that the one summoned will be Karl. So my guess is that becuz Karl the Great's historical fact is too...great, you will roll him like 99,9999999% of the time when you try to summon Charles, even if you specify "I WANT TO SUMMON THE FICTIONAL GUDAFACE CHARLES NOT MR KARL PLZ WHY U ALWAYS GIVE ME OLD MAN GRAIL!!!" or something like that.

According to Charles, the reason why they are separate here is because Karl was already summoned to do the assimilation shenanigans, so the fictional part of Karl - Charles - was summoned to fix the conflicts, so maybe it's the Moon's rule that you can only have 1 copy of a servant summoned in a parallel world at a time, which goes along with the whole "when Archie and Liz slide to another parallel world, the ones in that world will be merged with the new arrivals". That's why he said that this is an exception, a limited summoning circumstance and that he must go away when all done[...]

[...]First I like the main focus in Charlamagne and Karl but I feel that the split was a bit overcomplicated, maybe. I would like something as Paladin Char is the part of the Heroic Spirit of Charlamagne and you can get it if you summon him as Saber and in the case of the Ruler class appears Karl that is another part of the life of Charlamagne.

I would like this instead of pull at the blame in Moon Cell and the recent excuse of "you normally can summon this Servatnt but for reasons now you can". [...]

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[bassgs435]

So is the exception card being played?
Ok then but this is not what i saw in this thread so far,what i saw were multiple ppl advocating for contradictory mumbo jumbo

What happens is they advertise one thing, but the truth is revealed to be different in the game (Ads are obviously not gonna spoil important story details like that), and the contradictions are mostly because a lot of people here don't know Japanese and/or there was limited access to story footage to know what's going on, so fake rumours and misunderstandings arise from not having the whole story, but things correct themselves once the whole thing spreads and people can see what's actually going on