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    Quote Originally Posted by rxrx View Post
    From what I understand, the monolith brainwashing only works in Moon Cell since it is a virus attaching itself to victims made from data. In reality, it just gives Karl the idea to stop fooling around and begin conquest for the greater good in earnest. He did that in real life Nasuverse via Charisma and realpolitik.
    Virus works through blue particle, and if you look at unregistered saint graph icon in FGO it's basically it. Chaldea also employed spiritrons to rayshift. So I'm sure both the blue particle and spiritrons are in reality. From the way Tamamo and Archimedes put it, this blue particle is related to the 量子回路 (quantum circuit), it's computing term. In Moon Cell the human order foundations are called quantum time lock as oppose to in magic world, so the blue particle might go by a different name in reality as well.

    Beside, if Dimitte can even destroy the human order, yea it clearly not just something exclusive to the Moon Cell. I mean, if the best it can do is assimilate all life currently on SE.RA.PH and is useless outside the cyberworld, there's no way it can fuck with the human order. Also Dimitte was said to be incomplete and was only completed with strengthening from Moon Monolith so I would assume that it is a thing in reality for Karl as well, probably represents his effort to unify all and would also brainwash ppl to his side. However the effect is gonna be very limited.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mizukume View Post
    Virus works through blue particle, and if you look at unregistered saint graph icon in FGO it's basically it. Chaldea also employed spiritrons to rayshift. So I'm sure both the blue particle and spiritrons are in reality. From the way Tamamo and Archimedes put it, this blue particle is related to the 量子回路 (quantum circuit), it's computing term. In Moon Cell the human order foundations are called quantum time lock as oppose to in magic world, so the blue particle might go by a different name in reality as well.

    Beside, if Dimitte can even destroy the human order, yea it clearly not just something exclusive to the Moon Cell. I mean, if the best it can do is assimilate all life currently on SE.RA.PH and is useless outside the cyberworld, there's no way it can fuck with the human order. Also Dimitte was said to be incomplete and was only completed with strengthening from Moon Monolith so I would assume that it is a thing in reality for Karl as well, probably represents his effort to unify all and would also brainwash ppl to his side. However the effect is gonna be very limited.
    Charisma at higher level is like brainwashing already. Just felt pretty insulting that Artoria of all people has same charisma as Karl.

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    It bothers me more than Buddha has the same Charisma of Gilgamesh tbh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rxrx View Post
    Charisma at higher level is like brainwashing already. Just felt pretty insulting that Artoria of all people has same charisma as Karl.
    Why? She’s had it for years and no one’s complained about it. Why is it insulting now? Especially since they both are very similar and she was able to take Rome both in legend and in Fate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Base View Post
    Why? She’s had it for years and no one’s complained about it. Why is it insulting now? Especially since they both are very similar and she was able to take Rome both in legend and in Fate.
    That's because there is no Karl back then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rxrx View Post
    That's because there is no Karl back then.
    You do realise that he has a literal NP that turns his Charisma into a virus, right? That’s not exactly insulting when he has a way of weaponising his Charisma and she doesn’t. It’s easier to just let it go.

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    I think Karl exchanges Charisma rank for Dimitte.

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    Watched a few extra battles. Most don't have much story to them but there are in-stage lines that are pretty funny. The "Dream Team of the Moon" Extra battle is basically versus Tamamo, Nero and Altera. Nero claims that they formed the strongest team on the Moon while Tamamo said that she's not in her original form (fucking tease again) she's still able to do something and Altera wonders what's the team name might be. Nero calls Tamamo glass cannon and praise Altera's strength. Once you finished the battle you unlock a costume for Altera.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tamamo-no-Mae Goshujin-sama View Post
    What happened in the side event Tamamo Revolution? Just wonder why it happened. Was it just because of something silly?
    Just watched that extra battle. Archimedes got his hands on a Fake Tamamo and a Fake Gilles so he is testing some perfect strats with the Caster servants. He let Fake Tamamo spams her NP to strengthen the entire army of Moon Cell's attack programs and the tentacle monster Fake Gilles summoned. He also joined the combat as the boss of the stage. You simply kill the fakes and gave Archimedes a nice asswhoopin'. Support NPCs for this stage are Altera and Liz, with Nero supposely the leader of the operation. So yea, it's silly stuff and fox never got virus or went back to Extella bs dun worry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Base View Post
    You do realise that he has a literal NP that turns his Charisma into a virus, right? That’s not exactly insulting when he has a way of weaponising his Charisma and she doesn’t. It’s easier to just let it go.
    You're technically right. Here's the entry for the Oracle:
    Quote Originally Posted by Oracle
    一人一人に直接致しを与えることで属性変化。精神改宗を行う霊基汚染。カール大帝が本来持つ強力なカリスマ が、モノリスによって強力などうか能力を変化したもの。
    "Altering attributes directly one by one. Mental conversion (改宗 means religious conversion btw) by polluting the saint graph. By the power of the Monolith, Karl's innate powerful Charisma was strengthened and transformed into assimilation ability."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mizukume View Post
    You're technically right. Here's the entry for the Oracle:

    "Altering attributes directly one by one. Mental conversion (改宗 means religious conversion btw) by polluting the saint graph. By the power of the Monolith, Karl's innate powerful Charisma was strengthened and transformed into assimilation ability."
    Makes sense, brainwashing probably works best when you can already make people listen to what you have to say.

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    Is Charlemagne's Unspeakable Sin mentioned in the in regards to either version?

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    Reminder to people upset about Karls' Charisma Rank, of all things, that chansons de geste!Charlemagne had lots of trouble with faithful knights turning rebellious (arguably more than King Arthur, even) and was out-charisma'ed by Ganelon of all people, leading directly to him losing his beloved nephew. Although Karl is the non-romantic version of Charlemagne, isn't he? Well, it's hard to compare a historical person with a fictional one (especially one with as many versions as King Arthur), but Arthur's unification of Britain was such an inspiration that knights from all over the world came to serve under him, and Nasuverse!"Arthur" specifically is stated to have been such a majestic leader all her knights felt unworthy by comparison.

    That said, I like this "virus" NP Karl has. Seems like a perfect representation of Charlemagne's conversion by the sword practices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mizukume View Post
    It bothers me more than Buddha has the same Charisma of Gilgamesh tbh.
    Yeah, Buddha of all people seems like someone who should have EX Charisma. Aren't there stories of him converting asuras, or something similar?
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    Charisma might just not go beyond A+

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    We know about Karl's history, but it is just the Artoria wank that is somewhat meh. Can understand it, but doesn't mean have to like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zork Knight View Post
    Charisma might just not go beyond A+
    Charles, the fictional version, has a skill equate to Charisma and it ranks EX...

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    Artoria Wank? She had this skill from the start, how is that a wank?

    Quote Originally Posted by JellyfishMarine View Post
    Charles, the fictional version, has a skill equate to Charisma and it ranks EX...
    True, but the fact it needed to equate to Charisma EX, instead of just giving him Charisma EX implies that the qualifications for Charisma EX are very specific, if accessible in the first place. Bhudda might have much more powerful Charisma than Gilgamesh, but since he doesn’t fit the bill he’s stuck with A+.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Base View Post
    Artoria Wank? She had this skill from the start, how is that a wank?
    Let's just leave it at this can we. Don't wanna make a rant on the issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rxrx View Post
    Let's just leave it at this can we. Don't wanna make a rant on the issue.
    Fair enough, it’s just that some people say that Artoria is too vanilla and lacklustre in comparison to everyone else and when Type Moon tries to address the issue...

    Never mind. Can someone tell me how the heroes beat Karl in the True Ending?

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    Honestly the rant I've seen recently are Gil being a clown, Scathach got Oracled, Karna got Oracled, Jeanne got roasted, etc. Basically complaints about Top Servants summoned by Moon Cell to stop Karl all either jobbed or got Oracled except for Arjuna and Artoria.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mizukume View Post
    Honestly the rant I've seen recently are Gil being a clown, Scathach got Oracled, Karna got Oracled, Jeanne got roasted, etc. Basically complaints about Top Servants summoned by Moon Cell to stop Karl all either jobbed or got Oracled except for Arjuna and Artoria.
    Really? But wouldn’t it be common sense for Karl to take out the Top Servants who were definitely going to stop him?

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