The Aztecs are actually less powerful gods compare to the old ones back in the Sefar days, as Quetz said after the attack on titan they lost the ability to turn giant. Also another problem with AoG in Japan is that they actually have a IRL canon cut off date for Age of Gods (Kamiyo): 660 BCE, when Amaterasu sent her grandson - Emperor Jimmu - to Earth and he became the first emperor of the country.Originally Posted by Base
Really? because honestly it doesn't sound to me that the first emperor you could see as historical. That seems pretty still in God era like.
Of course if it's not you could always say from that point till Raikou was a super long era similar to the Age of Fairies. All of Japan's Yokai would be more like that then just straight divine.
Also if the AoG ended there you wouldn't have the case of Amaterasu and incarnating into Daji, Tamamo, and all the rest. Because that is a direct intervention by the Divine where the Age of Man is characterized as Gods pulling back and not messing with people anymore, which was something she was doing until the last time with Tamamo which was when the Heien period in Japan ended as later the Genpei war started up. Is that just because she's a Beast because if not she should have stopped.
Also where did Quertz say that? i'm just curious
"Only in my company, will you not be a monster"
anywhere than here
Astolfo in the flashback CG was already dress-crossing though lol
Still having a hard time wrapping my head around the idea that Charles and his paladin are mostly fictional. To what extent were they real and to what extent were they fictional? Let's say that Astolfo did exist historically but what about the Hypogriff and the other NPs that were based on his adventures? Apocrypha and tiny bits from FGO make their legend seem so real not unlike the KOTR. On the other hand, we have Holmes and Moriarty who should have been 100% fictional but instead the story implies otherwise. Things are getting more interesting but having to wait for more info is also frustrating... AoG timeline is another thing I wish that we will get more info on it soon.
The Hippogrif was always fictional, that’s why it can warp in and out of reality.
In their mythos, the Age of gods is the period prior to the first emperor. By giving authority to rule the land to the first emperor, it's a signal that the gods will be giving Ashihara no Nakatsukuni (basically the land of Japan) to humans. The era after that is called Age of Man. Beside, if the Western Europe gods are gone in 1000 BCE, I don't see a problem with 660 BCE for Japan. But so far this is not a thing for nasuverse, hence my problem.
That's another problem. Majority of yokai legends are originated from mainland China, even Shuten were from China and Tamamo were from China and India originally, then got syncretized with local myths. And we all knew that AoG ends much faster on the continent.Of course if it's not you could always say from that point till Raikou was a super long era similar to the Age of Fairies. All of Japan's Yokai would be more like that then just straight divine.
The incidents the 9 tailed fox caused are all BCE except for the Tamamo incident. Daji dates back to near 2000 BCE, Kayo dates back to near 1000 BCE, Bao Si dates back to around 800 BCE. So coincidentally all of the incidents prior to Tamamo are all before their Age of God cutoff in 660 BCE.Also if the AoG ended there you wouldn't have the case of Amaterasu and incarnating into Daji, Tamamo, and all the rest. Because that is a direct intervention by the Divine where the Age of Man is characterized as Gods pulling back and not messing with people anymore, which was something she was doing until the last time with Tamamo which was when the Heien period in Japan ended as later the Genpei war started up. Is that just because she's a Beast because if not she should have stopped.
Babylonia, when Guda asked if she can turn giant to fight Tiamat.Also where did Quertz say that? i'm just curious
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I mean, even Holmes has been dickteasing with this shit. So we will get it sooner or later, but not so soon. The most troublesome thing tho, is determining which myth of which culture is fiction and which is not. Because you will make fans of those legends feel unfair and salty if a very similar one is not fiction while the ones they like is fiction.
Ahhh alright. Thank you, I really do get it now.
The way I see it, there was still magic and stuff roaming around Karl's time, but he just didn't interact much with them because he is an emperor. As such he went down in purely history exactly because he wasn't going around fighting monsters. Meanwhille, other heroes like the Knights of Round Table and Richard kept roaming around the land and stuff, so they ended up fighting and stuff. Basically, Karl may be entirely historical, but it doesn't necessarily mean that the lands around him didn't have magic and mythical creatures, just that he didn't battle them. Then ministrels and bards spiced up his reputation by adding up the myths around him but while in his case those are fiction, for others it's their actual history re-told.
migration perhaps? All these legends moving to the island with the spread of continent stuff like Buddism? That's just a guess tho, as there isn't really an answer. Ironic huh, we know exactly huh the AoG and it end happened in Europe and it's surrounding but not so much anything as for the eastern side despite it being the most familiar to them. Really we won't actually find out until they actually address it, because despite all the japan style events and with all the Oni we know nothing. It's a real pity Case files is ending soon, if they would come up with an answer it probably be from there.
Also I don't think when Merlin said continent he meant the entire Euroasian one, just Europe. I mean the AoM probably did spread out to china at that point but i just wish we knew the speed it actually spread out from tho.
Also I forget but wasn't there a bit in SF with Fake Caster talking about how Japan retained mystery or did he just mentioned Britain?
"Only in my company, will you not be a monster"
anywhere than here
So, while watching some gameplay videos of Extella Link, I came across one of those lore cards that detailed one of Charlemagne's skills and decided to translate it just for fun. You can find it below.
just to be safe...
Wow that's alot of stuff, quite impressive
It sounds exactly what a protag from a jrpg LN would have. If I remember right this is his EX skill right?
"Only in my company, will you not be a monster"
anywhere than here
That's what I really like about how Holmes is portrayed in in this series; a good Holmes is a Holmes that make you feel like choking him to death sometimes esp. when he goes 'now it's not the time'.
Personally, I don't mind that Charles and co. are written off as fictional. It's just that the revelation came quite sudden without any prior hint so I really need time to digest it. But what you said about people feeling salty is so true. Once the game is released in English, I can totally see this issue being brought up again.
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Charles' skills
https://imgur.com/a/4voiA0c
His third skill is basically him getting stronger if he does cool stuff, but will become weakened if he does something uncool...very KAKKOII.
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Me with real KoTR/fake Paladins
GDI Higashide you had one fucking job
The paladins were real to some extent since Astolfo remembers how the historical Karl changed after encountering the ruins.
The problem is just figuring out to what extent.
We already know Song of Roland and Orlando Innamorato/Furioso are entirely fictional, and those are pretty much the core of the Paladin legends
As Asterism himself said, *everything* about Astolfo comes from Orlando Furioso
Blame Nasu, KoRT are his fave of course they get priority.
Still though I don't it's just as cut as dry as saying that Paladins are fake because honestly that doesn't really matter much. You still have Paladins as Heroic Spirits. Whether they are fake or not is irrelevant because to them what they did was real, their heroic feats are real. Continuing on by what Reign said, the Paladins like Astolfo reside in the same ambiguous nature all Heroic Spirits reside in Are they real?, history says no, but magic says yes. Remember Astolfo's catalyst in Apo, that is an item that proves that what happened in his life did happen. In one way or another. The problem with Charlemagne is that he doesn't exist in this ambiguous state. Karl's achievements are to grand to not be based on reality, that you have the case of fictional Charles and historical Karl. Because you can't have a midway. This is what I think anyway. More info could change it.
"Only in my company, will you not be a monster"
anywhere than here
Any sign of his Stats and/or Skills? Or Noble Phantasm Type/Rank or Charlemagnes?Karl's NP names: Joyeuse, Carolus Patricius (the flying Holy City), Carolus Patricius Auctoritas (gundam), Carolus Patricius Dimitte (assimilation virus).
Am no Latin expert so I'll just let other ppl translate it.
Okay, then here are the translations for all three of them.
again, just to be safe...
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And yet we have an item from the Orlando Furioso showing up as a catalyst in modern times. They are fantasies, but that doesn't they didn't happen one way or another. How they happened? We have no idea.
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Thanks MoC.
Man his Prana Burst reminds me of Radiant damage from DnD. Truly a Paladins.
I wonder how much boost his third skill does however. It doesnt sound like much, tho it's still a boost. He is such a LN protagonist.
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"Only in my company, will you not be a monster"
anywhere than here
So, like, Charlemagne is real, sort of? But he's overshadowed by the existence of Karl. Maybe.
In my mind, I'm picturing Charlie being like an Alter Ego.
I'm just picturing an older refined mix of the two Karlemagne being proper Charlemagne, and somehow I feel contend
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