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Thread: Kiritsugu's characterization... inconsistent?

  1. November 21st, 2016, 10:17 PM #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huitante View Post
    His characterization is like Rin's sexuality and Arc's nationality
    True Ancestors don't have a nationality, silly.

    Rin's surely a smidge bi-curious, if nothing else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prix of Heroes View Post
    One thing I think is interesting is how traits that ultimately allow a person to do certain things that are unpleasant might have been applied had their life never gone wrong. Like, Kiritsugu's original motivations were 'good' as far as we can tell, but presumably he always had that 'shove all emotions aside' trait?
    In that way, Kiritsugu and Kirei also mirror each other in the "born broken" department. Doubly interesting in that Kirei was written, by Nasu, with characterizations introduced in /stay night, and Kiritsugu was written, by Urobuchi, with characterizations greatly expanded upon in /Zero.

    Funny how things work out.
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    Is Shirou sexist?
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  3. November 21st, 2016, 10:21 PM #23
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laserman View Post
    Is Shirou sexist?
    something something cultural values something something HE ALSO HAS A PSYCHOSIS BECAUSE HIS TOWN BURNED DOWN
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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsaRandomUsername View Post
    In that way, Kiritsugu and Kirei also mirror each other in the "born broken" department. Doubly interesting in that Kirei was written, by Nasu, with characterizations introduced in /stay night, and Kiritsugu was written by Urobuchi, with characterizations greatly expanded upon in /Zero.

    Funny how things work out.
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  5. November 21st, 2016, 10:25 PM #25
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcjon01 View Post
    It's heavily implied that Saber spent the ten years between 1994 and 2004 reflecting on the numerous "pragmatism vs. chivalry" debates she had with Kiritsugu, and that she ultimately decided that Kiritsugu was correct and her former beliefs were naive. She is much more cynical and ruthless during the 5th Holy Grail War as a result.
    10 years? I thought no time passed for her. She just zipped on over to FSN's era after being defeated in Zero.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mAc Chaos View Post
    10 years? I thought no time passed for her. She just zipped on over to FSN's era after being defeated in Zero.
    I think it's sort of perceived as 'she's aware of being trapped at Camlann but time is pretty irrelevant.'
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  7. November 21st, 2016, 10:28 PM #27
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    That's what Saber gets for being a special snowflake kindasorta Counter Guardian in limbo and not a dank timeless 英霊.
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    Iirc gen described it as simultaneously being an instant and an eternity of tears (or something to that effect)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prix of Heroes View Post
    but time is pretty irrelevant.'
    Time is irrelevant, but it's relative.
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    Kind of like how a hack can be a cough, but it can also be...

    yup, you guessed it....

    a slang term for accessing someone's computer without asking
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    that ones not even related tobi

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobias View Post
    Iirc gen described it as simultaneously being an instant and an eternity of tears (or something to that effect)
    IRC gen is described as a hack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mAc Chaos View Post
    10 years? I thought no time passed for her. She just zipped on over to FSN's era after being defeated in Zero.
    "within this instant called forever"

    *shrugs
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    can you give that to me in plancks?


    translations
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    Quote Originally Posted by mewarmo990 View Post
    can you give that to me in plancks?
    No, no, you're supposed to say "Ten years is an awfully long time to spend bleeding out through your skull."
    Ara ara?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mewarmo990 View Post
    can you give that to me in plancks?
    saber was like, "planks for the memories!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcjon01 View Post
    No, no, you're supposed to say "Ten years is an awfully long time to spend bleeding out through your skull."
    It's fine, she's dead by rights anyway.
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    did arthurian england even have rights?
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    Quote Originally Posted by You View Post
    did arthurian england even have rights?
    Sure, they usually held their sword in them

    incidentally, the shield went on the left
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    Artoria was a gang leader. Don't mess with the gang and you're alright.
    Imagine that the world is made out of love. Now imagine that it isn’t.

    Imagine a story where everything goes wrong, where everyone has their back against the wall, where everyone is in pain and acting selfishly because if they don’t, they’ll die.
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    Quote Originally Posted by You View Post
    did arthurian england even have rights?
    The right to not have any rights.

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    If Saber and Shirou got married... Would that make Shirou the Queen of Britain?
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