Fate/Apocrypha Anime (no spoilers)

[TheSeaDragon]

Kiritsugu is a bad guy in Zero.

you win

[RoydGolden]

I'd hesitate to call him a bad guy from the narrative perspective, but the whole point of Zero (and to a lesser degree SN) is that Kiri's utilitarian ideals are totally messed up and wrong. Kind of hard to miss honestly.

[Iceblade44]

Waver was the true star in Zero, and I don't care who says otherwise.

[asterism42]

It's kind of sad that the anime doesn't really show him off too well

[RoydGolden]

Waver was the true star in Zero, and I don't care who says otherwise.

Waver is pretty much the only Master in Zero who's anywhere close to a good person, aside from maybe Kariya (whose morality is hella' controversial around here).

[Raylen Cypher]

aside from maybe Kariya (whose morality is hella' controversial around here).

That's just you honestly.

[RoydGolden]

That's just you honestly.

At least one other person here, and I've read a few fanfics that portrayed him sympathetically too.

[Iceblade44]

They better pull that scene off correctly or their will be riots.

[TheSeaDragon]

I'd hesitate to call him a bad guy from the narrative perspective, but the whole point of Zero (and to a lesser degree SN) is that Kiri's utilitarian ideals are totally messed up and wrong. Kind of hard to miss honestly.

yeah, maybe i should have said that Amakusa is not a mustache twirling villain , and i dont think the Anime worked much over that point

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At least one other person here, and I've read a few fanfics that portrayed him sympathetically too.

honestly, im aware of how messed up Kariya is , but i still think he is one of the most interesting Zero characters

[lantzblades]

I'm aware Arashi, that's actually how the whole workshopping of Shirou Kotomine began on BL, someone posted an image, then we started a long ass conversation.

Yeah Eddy I'm aware it's not actually Shirou Kotomine, his real identity actually makes the name drop worse honesty.

Kariya was an idiot. You don't walk into a villainous deathtrap like that, much less not outright tell Tokiomi and Aoi, "Hey, Zouken is a monster, he's torturing your daughter" he let his emotional baggage win out and fuck him, it's superboy prime levels of retarded. Oh, and also, TURNING LANCELOT INTO A FUCKING BERSERKER, Kariya you fucking twat.

[Rafflesiac]

When is Kiritsugu not a bad guy?

Prismaverse, where he's just an average hard-working salaryman sending his hard-won bread back to the family.

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c'mon apoc, do my boy good

[Iceblade44]

Prismaverse, where he's just an average hard-working salaryman sending his hard-won bread back to the family.

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c'mon apoc, do my boy good

But Miyuverse he's even more of a jerk.

[RoydGolden]

Kariya was an idiot. You don't walk into a villainous deathtrap like that, much less not outright tell Tokiomi and Aoi, "Hey, Zouken is a monster, he's torturing your daughter" he let his emotional baggage win out and fuck him, it's superboy prime levels of retarded. Oh, and also, TURNING LANCELOT INTO A FUCKING BERSERKER, Kariya you fucking twat.

Kariya had no choice in making Lancelot a Berserker; it was something Zouken forced on him.

Not telling Toki what was going on with Sakura is a fair point, but Toki is just as much to blame for not asking IMO. Tis a tragedy of impulsiveness on both sides.

[Kotonoha]

We are not having Kariya/Tokiomi discourse again, stop that

[Magikewl]

Now Kariya/Tokiomi ship discussion on the other hand

[Snow]

Kariya/Tokiomi intercourse, otoh

[Iceblade44]

That be NTR

[Snow]

Fuck!

[TheSeaDragon]

I'm aware Arashi, that's actually how the whole workshopping of Shirou Kotomine began on BL, someone posted an image, then we started a long ass conversation.

Yeah Eddy I'm aware it's not actually Shirou Kotomine, his real identity actually makes the name drop worse honesty.

Kariya was an idiot. You don't walk into a villainous deathtrap like that, much less not outright tell Tokiomi and Aoi, "Hey, Zouken is a monster, he's torturing your daughter" he let his emotional baggage win out and fuck him, it's superboy prime levels of retarded. Oh, and also, TURNING LANCELOT INTO A FUCKING BERSERKER, Kariya you fucking twat.

i know he is an idiot, but i still like him .

Also, would Tokiomi care as long and it was apparently mage training for her. Maybe yes, the guy is pompous but not a monser, butt since Kariya already hated him, maybe in his mind he knew and was ok with everyhing

Aoi, on the oher hand, yeah, no reason for no thell her at all besides the plot nedding the story to end in the worst way because prequel, but that point really explains it all

[Raylen Cypher]

We are not having Kariya/Tokiomi discourse again, stop that

Imma echo this.

I was already afraid of slightly jabbing at it, but we're not doing this again omfg.