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    Quote Originally Posted by SpoonyViking View Post
    Actually, I referenced various passages from the original poem, sometimes directly (such as parts of Beowulf's speech), although I did occasionally change them to better fit my attempt to reconcile both depictions of the character, the original one and the one from "Grand Order".
    Yeah, and that's kind of the risk you took on a piece like this.

    I, admittedly, have not read the original poem. (I know, my school system sucks, and even my lit professor in college gave us more Robert Frost, Allen Ginsburg, Sylvia Plath, and Donald Goines than classical epics such as Beowulf.) At the same time, though, of course I tried to do my best research as possible on Beowulf (or at least, the TM version of him) before scoring the piece, so as to try to avoid incidents where lack of familiarity with a given character or game (I haven't played GO either... maybe once the English version is out I'll give it a go). But that left me to judge Beowulf by the TM version of him, whereas you were kind of going for a synthesis; that is very much a hit-or-miss thing, and to me, it felt more like you were going for the Legendary Beowulf of the poem, which is rather ill-fitting for the TM depiction, precisely because some of those cues were so subtle that I simply did not catch some of those.

    In hindsight and with that knowledge, I can see what you were trying to do now, but since they were fairly subtle (and I missed several of them as a result), it felt more like "Heroic Beowulf with TM Pessimistic Beowulf seasoning" at the time of the review. If I would've realized how you were tying that all in better, or if maybe you laid on his own self-doubt and lying a little more clearly, your score would've definitely been higher, but even with that, I know I would've felt let down by its general lack of length, and even if that had been done, the sense that it could've been about almost any king still applies - a rousing speech is definitely a normally kingly thing to do, but when what distinguishes it is some subtle hints that Beowulf is lying to himself and some lines quoted from the classic epic itself, it's kind of hard to make it stand out from any other king giving the same speech, and I just couldn't shake that sense of wanting to have seen this Beowulf do more than lie to his men.

    I still stand by what I said in my review - I'd class this overall as a good idea, that it felt like it was an idea that was a good concept, but it needed a considerably more full-bodied implementation of said concept, and a good bit more length. That'd be a contender for a solid 80+ then if your artistry could hold out for 10-20k words, as it would not only be more clear to the reader what you're doing, it'd also give them more to read, more to enjoy, and let you show off your style a bit better than a ~1300 word fic ever could. Stuff like that is important - if you're going to do a 1300 word fic, you need to do just as much in those 1300 words as a more normal-length fic would do in 10-20k. Every word counts when you're going for brevity.

    Either way, my harshness aside, you've definitely got balls for entering and putting it up to people to judge it. I don't think you'll give up, and truth be told, considering how Alf and IRUN scored it I'm not sure myself anymore if it was genuinely deserving of what I gave it, if it was a letdown reaction to the knockout that was Cursed Cold Colle, or if I simply didn't "get it." Either way, you learn from what people think about your work, apply that to your next work, and you improve bit by bit.

    So I'm hoping to see an entry from you in a future contest, and hoping I like that one a lot more than this one.
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    Hello! I'm the writer for A Summoning and I just wanted to thank everyone for taking the time to judge and read it! This was the first fic I ever wrote so excuse my bad writing X.x . If it felt rush it's because it was as I originally had it on Microsoft Word on a laptop my sister took for her trip so I had to try and rewrite it from memory (And boy was it bad X.x).

    I do want to clarify somethings, Alice the main protagonist was never supposed to be Alice from Fate/Extra (though now that would be a cool connection X.x). I was hoping that people could get that the setting was Brazil from hints thrown here and there. Also, Rider was supposed to be The Headless Horseman which I should definitely have fleshed out more. The hard to understand German accent I based off of the only German accent I have heard IRL which was just as hard to understand (definitely should have made it somewhat more legible though no excuse X.x).

    All in all, I thought it was a pretty decent first attempt and I will probably be fleshing out and continuing the story elsewhere. I just wanted to thank everyone again for reading my first attempt and I hope to see you guys all in the next one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Jackets Off View Post
    Hello! I'm the writer for A Summoning and I just wanted to thank everyone for taking the time to judge and read it! This was the first fic I ever wrote so excuse my bad writing X.x . If it felt rush it's because it was as I originally had it on Microsoft Word on a laptop my sister took for her trip so I had to try and rewrite it from memory (And boy was it bad X.x).

    I do want to clarify somethings, Alice the main protagonist was never supposed to be Alice from Fate/Extra (though now that would be a cool connection X.x). I was hoping that people could get that the setting was Brazil from hints thrown here and there. Also, Rider was supposed to be The Headless Horseman which I should definitely have fleshed out more. The hard to understand German accent I based off of the only German accent I have heard IRL which was just as hard to understand (definitely should have made it somewhat more legible though no excuse X.x).

    All in all, I thought it was a pretty decent first attempt and I will probably be fleshing out and continuing the story elsewhere. I just wanted to thank everyone again for reading my first attempt and I hope to see you guys all in the next one.
    That would definitely explain why it felt so rushed to me, then.

    For a first time effort... yeah, scores and reviews like mine must be harsh, but there have been worse entries in years past. (I seem to remember handing out a score in the 20s a couple years ago.) Most of that was due to you going overkill on that thick accent, and a lot of the rest was stuff you're not used to yet (pacing your ideas, etc.). But you do show promise!

    The key to being a good writer is having the determination to stick it through, to learn from the criticism of others, and then to give them a journey. You can have the best plot in the world, but it won't mean a damn if your technicals suck - likewise, having solid technicals is great, but you need some artistry in the mix for anything more than average.

    I will say that no, I did not get your setting as Brazil at all, nor Rider's identity.

    And it is good that you are going to keep plugging away at it. You sound like the kind of guy who will keep improving, and I have a feeling if you enter again, you'll do a lot better than your score in this year's contest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Pulse View Post
    I, admittedly, have not read the original poem. (I know, my school system sucks, and even my lit professor in college gave us more Robert Frost, Allen Ginsburg, Sylvia Plath, and Donald Goines than classical epics such as Beowulf.)
    Man, I feel you. In my college, we had a class called "Foundations of English-language Literature" in which we were supposed to read "Beowulf", "Sir Gawain and the Green Knight", a bunch of folk poems, and then move on to "Canterbury Tales" for the rest of the term; instead, we only had Chaucer for the entire term. Fortunately, I was a huge nerd and read those by myself, but I'm still salty over that. :-P

    Thanks for your additional comments! I do understand what you're saying, that I needed to spend more time on Beowulf's conflict, flesh it out more. And yes, I'll definitely be there for later contests! :-)

    Actually, I do have one favour to ask: do you think you could point to me the exact technical issues with my writing? Please and thank you!

    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Jackets Off View Post
    I was hoping that people could get that the setting was Brazil from hints thrown here and there.
    Oh, nice! Which city or region, specifically? Somewhere in the South, maybe?
    Also, now that you've mentioned Rider's identity, those head jokes...

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    Thank you for reading. I confess that I now believe that it was more fun to write being an Evil Kitsune for Fun and Profit than it is to read. Ill admit, I more or less wanted to use Servants as segways for jokes, but for all the good lines in it, I failed to connect them in a way that kept everyone(anyone?) particularly interested. I'm glad to know that it wasn't entirely horrible, but I still can and should do better. To Alf, IRUn, and Dark Pulse, I apologize for making you guys suffer through that.

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    Hey folks just a heads up, You has accepted the quartz reward but has decided to wait until the next pay gatcha which might take a while before it shows up.

    I'll be sure to keep everyone informed until then though we shall wait and see!

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    Hi there! Sorry to be a bother, but I'd really appreciate some help with this:

    Quote Originally Posted by alfheimwanderer View Post
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    It's choppy. You have grammar issues riddled throughout. It doesn't even flow well.
    Would you mind actually pointing those technical issues in detail? It would be a really huge help! :-)
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    Actually, I do have one favour to ask[, Dark Pulse]: do you think you could point to me the exact technical issues with my writing? Please and thank you!

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    Wow, that sucks.

    'Grats on Beo and Tamamo, at least. Something new is better than something not, I suppose.
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    You have my condolences or congratulations depending on how much you like Tamamo


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