Zero Fun thread

[Kotonoha]

Well since AZO was a singularity that means that everything Waver tried to fix was meaningless since everything gets erased which is kinda dark.

How? In the end the happiness was undone and we restored the original timeline. If anything that's even more depressing.

See I was actually going to make fun of this exact sentiment in my previous post but I thought maybe I was remembering wrong and nobody actually gave Urobuchi credit for making his singularity work like every other singularity in the game, but

[Raylen Cypher]

The fact that it could be fixed is good.

[Arashi_Leonhart]

something something

The dead people would not come back.
Reality cannot be overturned.
To continue on remembering the pain and the weight… isn't that how lost things remain?

…People will eventually die, and death itself is sad.
But pain shouldn't be the only thing that remains.
A death is painful, but it also leaves behind bright memories.
As I am bound by these people's deaths…
As I am protected by my memories of Kiritsugu…
I believe memories become constraints and change the people living now.

…Even if…
They are memories that will eventually be forgotten.

something something

[Trubo]

Mashu's speech at the end of the event was pretty good.

Or was that in Babylon?

[mewarmo990]

Babylonia had a scene about it, yes.

Gil tries to cheer you up saying that You Made A Difference. It felt nice.

until everyone died

[Neir]

I really need to read the tls

[Altima of the Gates]

See I was actually going to make fun of this exact sentiment in my previous post but I thought maybe I was remembering wrong and nobody actually gave Urobuchi credit for making his singularity work like every other singularity in the game, but

It kinda reminds me of his author notes for Zero, where he basically said he could have a mark on FSN and write as he pleased because it was a prequel and shit ended badly.

So he wins here too. He can write things out normally, where the happiness gained and development Kariya had go byebye because of the eraser button.

So even if Nasu let him write the grimdark, he wins, and if he writes it normally, he wins too.

[Alulim]

My opinion on Zero basically adds up to "Everyone's bad, no one's good, everything dies, and Ionian Hetairoi is cool."

[BobbyFischer]

I just read through this thread...oh boy that was an adventure.

My opinion on F/Z:

It was good even with it's inconsistencies and moments of grimderp via the Urobutcher. I've grown to hate the Urobutcher not for this pointlessly grim stories but for his predictability, he is a one trick pony. for the most part


Hi btw

[RoydGolden]

I've grown to hate the Urobutcher not for this pointlessly grim stories but for this predictability, he is a one trick pony. for the most part

Not anymore. He's grown a fair bit since the dark olde days. Now he writes stuff like Suisei No Gargantia and Expelled From Paradise, far from the unrelenting darkness that defined his earlier material...

[Altima of the Gates]

Maybe he can fake it well enough people don't notice or has random relapses, 8f it's true Nasu had to tell him to tone it down a peg again when he wrote that scenario for GO.

[Kotonoha]

It kinda reminds me of his author notes for Zero, where he basically said he could have a mark on FSN and write as he pleased because it was a prequel and shit ended badly.

So he wins here too. He can write things out normally, where the happiness gained and development Kariya had go byebye because of the eraser button.

So even if Nasu let him write the grimdark, he wins, and if he writes it normally, he wins too.

Kariya didn't have development and the "happiness gained" was mostly Iri joining Chaldea which isn't undone. There's also Kayneth but there is a conversion beforehand about how they know how singularities work but want to do it anyway, it's not something that's sprung on the reader after the fact to "take away" the story's resolution.

It's also a complete reiteration of how every single singularity in the game had worked up to that point but people only ascribe it significance when it's Urobuchi for some reason????¿????

[castor212]

grim dark impression too stronk contrast

[Altima of the Gates]

Kariya didn't have development and the "happiness gained" was mostly Iri joining Chaldea which isn't undone. There's also Kayneth but there is a conversion beforehand about how they know how singularities work but want to do it anyway, it's not something that's sprung on the reader after the fact to "take away" the story's resolution.

It's also a complete reiteration of how every single singularity in the game had worked up to that point but people only ascribe it significance when it's Urobuchi for some reason????¿????

Didn't he give up a hand to negotiate with Iskandar + let go of some of his craziness toward the end? That is at least something.

And yeah, everyone knows how things work, that doesn't really take away the point of it being basically a win/win for Gen there.

It's like how you'd not be forcing a guy who loves maid outfits to write a story about maids. The significance is given because of the person's preferences.
Like, if I wrote a story about Sakura, you'd expect and look at other points differently than if someone else wrote it.

[Ereus]

I'm the one that's pointing out you're lacking in the "regular person" perspective. Tokiomi did what a lot of people adopting kids out do.

I have biological siblings that stayed with my biological family. I have biological siblings that were adopted out like I was. The adoptions were all different. My biological family did not research who I would be going to, so I could have ended up, like many, in a shit home with a shit family. My biological family did apparently research another sibling's family. This does not mean they were morally right to my sister and shit on me, or that they were wrong for keeping the elder kids they already had and giving me up rather than the other way around, or even that giving me up was either good or bad. It's complicated.

Your comments on the mundane, adoption side of stuff is all over the place. Guess what? No system in the world covers 100% all eventualities. There are valid reasons to distance yourself from an adopted child like they did even without throwing the whole Tohsaka-and-Matou-are-magus-families in. Everything that Rin and Sakura do in FSN itself is very typical of many adoptions that happen like that, where you do in fact have knowledge that you're related but at the same time want to maintain certain distance.

It is very weird now to try and have a relationship with my siblings. Especially since she went to a different region of the states, so whenever the Colts and the Seahawks play we are bitter enemies.

Except I think in a interview they say Tokiomi knew about zouken worm pit.
And the only thing he would've objected to was the eventuality that zouken had for sakura.

[Hyperversum]

Except I think in a interview they say Tokiomi knew about zouken worm pit.
And the only thing he would've objected to was the eventuality that zouken had for sakura.

Are you sure? A magi family is supposed to hide their tricks from others family.

[You]

Are you sure? A magi family is supposed to hide their tricks from others family.

yes
it was a french interview

[Neir]

yes
it was a french interview

It was found in a cache of nazi treasures

[Wandering Swordwoman]

Are you sure? A magi family is supposed to hide their tricks from others family.

but he knew about Zokuken, that he is not normal living thing anymore, more than just an old mage

[Hyperversum]

but he knew about Zokuken, that he is not normal living thing anymore, more than just an old mage

Well I guess that thing isn't such problematic for him. Who cares about a lich anyway? The association permits way worse things.