Zero Fun thread

[castor212]

that one, i got enough exposure adn the undersdtanding of why from the UBW anime thread with its everchanging title

[Neir]

I wish uro was capable of writing something different

[Alternative Ice]

ohshit what do i do
am i in save line if i played the vn before reading zero

dont worry cas so long your opinion isnt this:

"Zero is the greatest thing" and "rest of the franchise is shit" (latter mainly refers to FSN).

your immune to the zerofag virus

In terms of people who genuinely dislike Zero for what it is, without any caveats about the anime or its fans or whatever, there's like me, Toby, and Koto. Now, that's basically a controlling interest in the forum, I grant you, but it doesn't represent a common hatred of Zero: rather, it's actually a high-class hatred of Zero.

I second Snow what's the story behind that?

[Altaris]

Zero somewhat ruined what Fate route kinda established about Saber imo so I guess that's one of the reason for Tobi and Seika's dislike of it

[castor212]

In terms of people who genuinely dislike Zero for what it is, without any caveats about the anime or its fans or whatever, there's like me, Toby, and Koto. Now, that's basically a controlling interest in the forum, I grant you, but it doesn't represent a common hatred of Zero: rather, it's actually a high-class hatred of Zero.

third btw

[Leftovers]

Gen Is A High-Class Hack

[Laserman]

Zero somewhat ruined what Fate route kinda established about Saber imo so I guess that's one of the reason for Tobi and Seika's dislike of it

The Fate route is my favorite of the 3 and I don't dislike Fate/Zero.

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I do dislike the plot holes though.

[castor212]

are we talkin about the inconsistencies?

[Laserman]

are we talkin about the inconsistencies?

Yes, those.

[You]

Zero is fine

[Marmadillo]

I just think it's dull for the most part and doesn't have the high points on the level of fsn to compensate. Also the way Urobuchi writes his themes irritates mefor some reason. I still consider it the best non-nasu tm i've read.

[jennajayfeather]

I liked Fate Zero for Waver and Rider, but I think if they weren't in it, I probably wouldn't have cared much about the story at all...

[Kirby]

I just think it's dull for the most part and doesn't have the high points on the level of fsn to compensate. Also the way Urobuchi writes his themes irritates mefor some reason. I still consider it the best non-nasu tm i've read.

Because of it itself, or because of what it gets to compete with?

[Tobias]

Zero somewhat ruined what Fate route kinda established about Saber imo so I guess that's one of the reason for Tobi and Seika's dislike of it

Nah, it's nothing like that. It's just not very well written or enjoyable to read. At least as far as my own opinion goes, of course.

[Seika]

Why do you hate it? Not that I disagree, just curious.

'Hatred' is too strong - I just used that because of the thread title.

I've elaborated on this variously before, but notable factors in my dislike are that I think Urobuchi's ability to write emotions in a believable, human, and compelling way is non-existent; and that I find his style in itself at contrast with the manner of the Nasuverse. (An example that springs to mind is his unabashed and pornographically-detailed obsession with the workings of guns).

[Marmadillo]

Because of it itself, or because of what it gets to compete with?

I don't think you can judge something without a point of reference. Though none of non-Nasu works have been fully translated except f/z.

[castor212]

'Hatred' is too strong - I just used that because of the thread title.

I've elaborated on this variously before, but notable factors in my dislike are that I think Urobuchi's ability to write emotions in a believable, human, and compelling way is non-existent; and that I find his style in itself at contrast with the manner of the Nasuverse. (An example that springs to mind is his unabashed and pornographically-detailed obsession with the workings of guns).

wow so i already asked you this before huh

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say, any concrete example for the first reason, or its more of a general "feeling" of his overall writing?

[Magikewl]

Zero is ok

i mean i would never reread or rewatch it but it was ok

[Seika]

It's been a while since I've read Zero, tbh, so I don't think I could immediately cite a passage, but the various ways that Sola and Iri and Maiya felt 'love' spring to mind - I recall it always being described very distantly and without anything that made it feel real, despite how key to their characters it was. For that matter, Kotomine is another standout, now I think about it: to me, Nasu did far more in one scene of HF to make his situation feel resonant and poignant than Urobuchi managed with four volumes, while he's actually in the midst of trying to resolve his crisis.

[R.Lock]

I wish uro was capable of writing something different

Gargantia, tho.