昇華潜熱 (Latent Heat of Sublimation) || [FGO] [Lemon] [Hysterical Screed]

[Dullahan]

Ah, right, the fanfic you literally wrote to be as ugly and unreadable as humanly possible. However could I have forgotten.

why is being "ugly" and "unreadable" a bad thing? what's wrong with it being catered to the audience?

[SeiKeo]

Dude, I don't even play GO and I expect the mobile game grinding format would eat me alive. I'm just arguing here on principle.

Unless you have a clearer Mission Statement, the principle appears to be a principled stance that the right to be unprincipled is principled.

[RoydGolden]

why is being "ugly" and "unreadable" a bad thing? what's wrong with it being catered to the audience?

Not a bad thing at all. In fact, your writing is extremely good for capturing that whole "heat-induced fever dream" atmosphere. Just don't expect other people to want to read through the whole thing.

[Dullahan]

Not a bad thing at all. In fact, your writing is extremely good for capturing that whole "heat-induced fever dream" atmosphere. Just don't expect other people to want to read through the whole thing.

Believe me, my expectations are lowering all the time

[Bloble]

Not a bad thing at all. In fact, your writing is extremely good for capturing that whole "heat-induced fever dream" atmosphere. Just don't expect other people to want to read through the whole thing.

I continue to be surprised by your ability to debate a work of art without having actually read it.

[RoydGolden]

I continue to be surprised by your ability to debate a work of art without having actually read it.

I actually did read most of it. Didn't find much in the way of coherent argument though.

[Dullahan]

and to think I even wrote one of the chapters in the form of a chatlog for the benefit of people like you

[Bloble]

and to think I even wrote one of the chapters in the form of a chatlog for the benefit of people like you

Wait, you're saying that wasn't just a copypaste of one of you and Leo's porn discussions?

[Dullahan]

I wouldn't do that to a friend.

[RoydGolden]

and to think I even wrote one of the chapters in the form of a chatlog for the benefit of people like you

Show me a single shred of evidence linking enjoyment of anime waifus to Schizophrenia and I'll concede you might have a point. Otherwise, no.

[Dullahan]

schizoid =/= schizophrenia

[RoydGolden]

schizoid =/= schizophrenia

Sorry. My bad. I misread your argument, but that doesn't change the fundamentals of my reply. SPD is a real personality disorder and as far as I know there's no evidence linking it to anime or waifu culture whatsoever. There's no reason beyond personal prejudice to think people who enjoy anime waifus are mentally ill or deficient in any way. This is completely insulting and unwarranted psychobabble.

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Also, your argument just boils down to saying anime girls are "schizoid" because they're not real. By that logic every fictional character in the history of ever is schizoid, which is a definition so broad as to be completely useless.

[Dullahan]

this isn't about anime girls in the abstract, this is about waifus, it's about how the relation of the subject and the waifu is structurally homologous to a schizoid's relation to internal fantasy objects instead of a relation to another person

here let me spell it out

1. this has nothing to do with people who have been formally diagnosed with SPD
2. this has everything to do with 'schizoid' as an understood term in psychoanalysis eg. in the work of Guntrip et al
3. this is about how waifus are enjoyed
4. this is postulating that the enjoyment of waifus works in the same way as a schizoid's withdrawal/regression and investment of libido in internal fantasy objects
5. and that changes in the broader sphere of cultural production vis-a-vis the kinds of characters people do make waifus of have knock-on effects within the sphere of these inner fantasies
6. diagnosis is an external imposition and there is no 'normal' mind - you will have systems that work in schizoid ways, in narcissistic ways, in borderline ways, whatever, human beings are not consistent and under no obligation to be. nowhere repeat nowhere is the claim made that people who have waifus are necessarily mentally ill - as with everyone, they might be or they might not - so foh with that 'completely insulting' shit. if the PD diagnosed are actually offended they'll come forward themselves, they don't need you to white knight for them

your complaint that I speak in the 'voice of God' is really nothing more than being salty that I don't prefix everything with "this is just what I think, feel free to disagree, but ETC". and all that says about me is that I choose to own what I say and you don't

[Express]

This whole thread is wonderful

[Historia]

I'm having a great time

[Canon]

people who have waifus are necessarily mentally ill
- Dullahan 2018

[R.Lock]

Boo, time to get killed by my waifu Hashiri Nio.

[Dullahan]

people who have waifus are necessarily mentally ill
- Dullahan 2018

the true straussian reading

[SteelBeowulf]

this thread is still going on?! da hell

[Snow]

Why are "commoditisation, modularization and exchange" bad things? Why is it wrong that art be "catered" to the people who actually read/watch/buy it?

Well, actually, depending of the definition of art and its role you sign up for, it can very much be wrong.

Also what is it with people dubbing every instance of cultural production 'art'? The objective value of something you consume won't be magically raised by you convincing yourself it is art, if anything you'll get this very skewed perspective of what the word even means and become one of those people who just call everything 'aesthetic' but can't elaborate on why for the life of them.