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    Quote Originally Posted by Desuclocker View Post
    Okay, sure, now tell me how much Amaterasu or BB can do on Earth, Gil's home ground, so to speak. Then compare it to what Gil can do there.
    This seems like a meaningless cherry pick just because you can't deal with the idea of something being flat out unbeatable to Gil. If you are talking about strongest characters, then everything, even the ones in the Moon Cell are included with all the powers they have there.

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    Also this version of Enuma Elish sure seems more powerful than the one shown in Fate

    The priest was waiting for the arrival of the princess, who was only an enemy of all of them.
    For the priest, the golden princess was the one and only main heroine.
    Everyone else was unworthy of his respect, no matter how strong they were.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dartz View Post
    This seems like a meaningless cherry pick just because you can't deal with the idea of something being flat out unbeatable to Gil. If you are talking about strongest characters, then everything, even the ones in the Moon Cell are included with all the powers they have there.
    But I am doing just that. To simplify it, the Moon Cell is pretty much just a computer. An extremely powerful one, but that's it. If you have to include the data on every computer ever, then obviously the one that has a Demonbane VN (or something) on it wins the contest. And if you just ignore the computer's existence, the data on it can't affect you, so it turns out that BB and co. are utterly powerless anywhere outside of the Moon Cell's virtual environment. How is that supposed to be impressive?

    And uh, in FSN Gil has never once intended to use Ea at anywhere near its full levels. He limited it to "a bit stronger than Excalibur" so that it'd win the clash and bruise Saber. Are you even serious about that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dartz View Post
    This seems like a meaningless cherry pick just because you can't deal with the idea of something being flat out unbeatable to Gil. If you are talking about strongest characters, then everything, even the ones in the Moon Cell are included with all the powers they have there.

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    Also this version of Enuma Elish sure seems more powerful than the one shown in Fate

    Well, for starters, Amaterasu in CCC is a weird existence. For example, she is described and "ancient, yet still existing", which implies that she is genuine Divine Spirit residing in Moon Cell somehow. There is also a fact that Sun-related beings in Moon Cell are in advantageous position, for example Karna's armor despite being just A-rank NP can protect Jinako from being deleted.
    If we assume that she is indeead real, it makes sense that no creation of Moon Cell can stand against her.
    On the other hand, Arcueid is also not exactly in the same league as her; she can only bring her into manageable state by reducing her power by six via Blut die Schwester, which in turn implies she is also replication of Moon Cell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desuclocker View Post
    But I am doing just that. To simplify it, the Moon Cell is pretty much just a computer. An extremely powerful one, but that's it. If you have to include the data on every computer ever, then obviously the one that has a Demonbane VN (or something) on it wins the contest. And if you just ignore the computer's existence, the data on it can't affect you, so it turns out that BB and co. are utterly powerless anywhere outside of the Moon Cell's virtual environment. How is that supposed to be impressive?
    The Moon Cell is like a planet's reality marble. They always make a big deal about how it's not any less real than what you see on Earth.

    And uh, in FSN Gil has never once intended to use Ea at anywhere near its full levels. He limited it to "a bit stronger than Excalibur" so that it'd win the clash and bruise Saber. Are you even serious about that?
    Lol no.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fate Side Material Encyclopedia: The Star of Creation that Split Heaven & Earth Enuma Elish
    The cutting of space with the Sword of Rupture, Ea.
    Air pressure faults, compressed and smashed against each other, become a pseudo-fault in time and space that pulverizes all who oppose it.
    With output matching or even exceeding Excalibur, it is without a doubt the sword that "cut the world".
    Strictly speaking, the Noble Phantasm is actually Ea, while Enuma Elish is the name of Ea's maximum output state.
    …By the way, the sword's drill shape is modeled after the bedrock excavators used when making underwater tunnels.
    Though normally you'd think of a drill as something that tapers down to a point like a spear, the drills used to bore out enormous holes actually look more like numerous overlapping gears.
    The way the blades rotate individually and shave away at the bedrock… just imagining it is so cool!
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    The priest was waiting for the arrival of the princess, who was only an enemy of all of them.
    For the priest, the golden princess was the one and only main heroine.
    Everyone else was unworthy of his respect, no matter how strong they were.

    Tsukihime 2 Prelude III

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dartz View Post
    This seems like a meaningless cherry pick just because you can't deal with the idea of something being flat out unbeatable to Gil. If you are talking about strongest characters, then everything, even the ones in the Moon Cell are included with all the powers they have there.

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    Also this version of Enuma Elish sure seems more powerful than the one shown in Fate

    wasn't there a pretty explicit spoiler policy for this shit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dartz View Post
    The Moon Cell is like a planet's reality marble. They always make a big deal about how it's not any less real than what you see on Earth.
    The "not any less real" thing is talking about how, even though this is a videogame, the MC has observed Earth for long enough to flawlessly simulate it. Come on. And besides, once again, Gil will not lose any power if he decides to go blow up, say, Venus. BB won't even be able to go, much less do anything to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Embrace tophats View Post
    wasn't there a pretty explicit spoiler policy for this shit?
    I'm fine now, right?
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    That description is most likely outdated right now.

    A) For starters, they got rid of "pseudo" part.
    B) Enuma Elish in F/SN is drastically different from Fate/Zero and subsequent works. Side material came with F/SN, so it description applies only to it.
    C) Strictly speaking, Enuma Elish is just a name Gilgamesh given to it, not really name of Phantasm itself.

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    I think the "maximum output state" might refer to the whole "wind fault" thing as opposed to just stabbing with it, like what he does to Alex in Zero.

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    Collapsing Star Roaring Cannon (OPM) vs Black Barrel Replica/Black Barrel
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiakiKakumei View Post
    Collapsing Star Roaring Cannon (OPM)
    This probably wins, but what was it anyway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desuclocker View Post
    The "not any less real" thing is talking about how, even though this is a videogame, the MC has observed Earth for long enough to flawlessly simulate it. Come on. And besides, once again, Gil will not lose any power if he decides to go blow up, say, Venus. BB won't even be able to go, much less do anything to it.
    People digitalize their souls to get there, dying there kills you in the real world too. Doesn't matter what Gil can do somewhere else, that doesn't take merits from what BB can do on the far side of the moon.

    And tophats, BB is explicitly not spoilers, same for Gil's CCC version of Ea, that route is translated. The spoilers are something else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desuclocker View Post
    I think the "maximum output state" might refer to the whole "wind fault" thing as opposed to just stabbing with it, like what he does to Alex in Zero.
    No, remember the version he used on Shirou in UBW? Where he released a wind blast that got blocked by Rho Ais and he didn't have to utter Enuma Elish? Well, that ain't the full power version.
    The priest was waiting for the arrival of the princess, who was only an enemy of all of them.
    For the priest, the golden princess was the one and only main heroine.
    Everyone else was unworthy of his respect, no matter how strong they were.

    Tsukihime 2 Prelude III

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dartz View Post
    People digitalize their souls to get there, dying there kills you in the real world too. Doesn't matter what Gil can do somewhere else, that doesn't take merits from what BB can do on the far side of the moon.

    And tophats, BB is explicitly not spoilers, same for Gil's CCC version of Ea, that route is translated. The spoilers are something else.
    What BB can do on the far side of the Moon is irrelevant because there's no reason to engage her there. Gil would be fine just blowing up the Moon Cell. By comparison Arc would similarly lose all of her power if not on Earth or Moon, but since most of the characters who are discussed in this VS are residents of Earth anyway, her power's actually relevant. And yes, against those who can just fly away to space and/or destroy the Earth Arc is screwed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desuclocker View Post
    This probably wins, but what was it anyway?
    Space Saitama charging up and blowing all life on the surface of the planet sky high

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    Quote Originally Posted by Embrace tophats View Post
    Space Saitama charging up and blowing all life on the surface of the planet sky high
    Oh, then it definitely wins. BB isn't known for power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desuclocker View Post
    I'm fine now, right?
    For the record, black text should not be used as a substitute for spoiler tags, as it is perfectly visible on styles other than Black Beast of Chaos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leftovers View Post
    For the record, black text should not be used as a substitute for spoiler tags, as it is perfectly visible on styles other than Black Beast of Chaos.
    It was totally a quick low-quality fix because we've been discussing this for a while and there was no way the mods wouldn't have noticed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desuclocker View Post
    This probably wins, but what was it anyway?
    One Punch Man Episode 12


    "While in his meteoric burst form, Boros can launch a massive beam of energy from his mouth which is much more larger than his average Energy Beam. The color is also different, instead of being only blue, it has golden tones to it. Boros states that he needs to concentrate and release the entirety of his latent energy to perform this technique which is so powerful that he said it can wipe out a planet's surface. " From the OPM wiki
    Chibi V.Sion Army go!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desuclocker View Post
    What BB can do on the far side of the Moon is irrelevant because there's no reason to engage her there. Gil would be fine just blowing up the Moon Cell. By comparison Arc would similarly lose all of her power if not on Earth or Moon, but since most of the characters who are discussed in this VS are residents of Earth anyway, her power's actually relevant. And yes, against those who can just fly away to space and/or destroy the Earth Arc is screwed.
    Characters with field modifiers (apartment, temple, barrier, terrain, full moon) are adjusted for those modifiers
    From the fuyuki unofficial powerlevel chart. Can some mod please add this to the opening post? So that we don't get into these arguments.

    You cannot engage BB outside the far side because 1 we don't know her power outside the far side and 2 the Moon Cell deletes her if she were to go to the near side.

    And no, Arc in her Archetype form takes the enemy into space during her attack animations. Her strongest attacks are performed in space.
    Last edited by Dartz; January 7th, 2016 at 12:26 PM.
    The priest was waiting for the arrival of the princess, who was only an enemy of all of them.
    For the priest, the golden princess was the one and only main heroine.
    Everyone else was unworthy of his respect, no matter how strong they were.

    Tsukihime 2 Prelude III

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    fuyuki official powerlevel chart
    please let Arai rest in peace

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    I meant to write unofficial there. Damn, major screw up.
    The priest was waiting for the arrival of the princess, who was only an enemy of all of them.
    For the priest, the golden princess was the one and only main heroine.
    Everyone else was unworthy of his respect, no matter how strong they were.

    Tsukihime 2 Prelude III

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