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    @Apple
    For the purpose of God Hand immunity they are all separate attacks, the examples you gave don't all have unique properties.

    There is only one activation of Gate of Babylon, when he opens it, which isn't an attack at all.

    Edit; think of it this way Gilgamesh basically gets 50+ different attacks in one turn
    Araya, what do you seek?
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    Araya, what is your favorite color?
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    Blue. No, ora-- Auuuuuuuugh!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcjon01 View Post
    You know, there's probably something wrong if you can imagine the simple skill you can use ten times in a battle from one setting, being given 30 pages of exposition and a "wtf was that" reaction from half the cast in another...




    >Q.ギルガメッシュに剣技のスキルはないとのことですが、ならば燕返しの
    >間合いに捕らえさえすればアサシンでもギルに勝てるのですか?

    >A.あの鎧で防がれるor王の財宝から、またサギ臭い対多重次元屈折防具とか
    >出てくる可能性大。ただ、ギルはあれはあれで相手の力量を正しく把握するので、
    >アサシン相手に剣技での戦いはしないと思われます

    You underestimate me.

    And yeah, it says that Gil would either tank it with his armor or pull out a shield that can block in multiple dimensions. And that Gil can accurately judge the strength of his opponents so he wouldn't get into a sword fight with Assassin in the first place.
    my apologies! its come up a lot in conversation, I honestly figured it would be to much trouble. now if you excuse me I will go enjoy my crow in silence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobias View Post
    this was my interpretation as well, tetra would work against an entire rain of weapons, 16 or 32 or however many gil went with, going on its persona mechanics, gil's armor can stop one noble phantasm, 30 would flat out kill him.
    Ok, but then this fight becomes meaningless. It becomes a battle of attrition.

    Gil fires GoB - repelled - Gil summons shields - Gil fires GoB again - same as before - repeat this going back-and-forth N-times - Gil snaps and goes Enuma Elish - then it's a matter on how strong tetrakarn is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherrinford View Post
    Excalibur says no.
    Yeah, Excalibur went through the armour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherrinford View Post
    Ok, but then this fight becomes meaningless. It becomes a battle of attrition.

    Gil fires GoB - repelled - Gil summons shields - repeat N-times - Gil snaps and goes Enuma Elish - then it's a matter on how strong tetrakarn is.
    your assuming gil could prevent tetra?


    thats....a huge reach, even for gil. hell, especially for gil
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    If anything is going to count as an Almighy attack, it's Ea.

  7. #10047
    Quote Originally Posted by Apple View Post
    Yeah, Excalibur went through the armour.
    He means the sword swings during their first fight yo.
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    Only within myself.
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    Araya, what is your favorite color?
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    Blue. No, ora-- Auuuuuuuugh!
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    Quote Originally Posted by terraablaze View Post
    He means the sword swings during their first fight yo.
    Saber wasn't launching excalibur at hyperspeed.

    And anyway, Tetrakarn doesn't even seem to bother with armour, iirc. It just... reflects the exact damage value you should have received.


    Quote Originally Posted by terraablaze View Post
    @Apple
    For the purpose of God Hand immunity they are all separate attacks, the examples you gave don't all have unique properties.

    There is only one activation of Gate of Babylon, when he opens it, which isn't an attack at all.

    Edit; think of it this way Gilgamesh basically gets 50+ different attacks in one turn


    I was thinking more like each individual volley of swords = one attack in the case of 'each GOB activation'.

    Also, why are you bringing God Hand into this? We're having enough trouble here without you dragging that mass of indeterminable defense into this. Each vorpal slash hits from a different angle and attacks a different body part. Tetrakarn blocks them all. Unique enough for you?

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    eventually excalibur did. gil mentions it was starting to crack up. and pretty sure those swings had less damage then the gate with saber as weak as she was.

    I am amused by the fact gil just flat out wouldnt get into a sword fight with Fake assassin. how does the fuyuki quote go? "whoah, Kojiro is amazing"
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    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!



    I am sorry, I have to share this


    > Q. What skills Gilgamesh Sword skill is not that, then the Swallow Flight Reversal
    > How do I beat Assassin Gill, once captured in the interval?

    > From the king's treasure or armor that is prevented by A., multi-dimensional refractive armor for Toka Heron also smell
    > Could come out great. But there are so Gill opponent's ability to understand it correctly,
    > In the fight against sword skill assassin is probably not
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  11. #10051
    @tobias
    woah Kojiro was from the Berserker fight with how he was sorta able to fight him off with Medea's help.

    @apple
    nope it works like if you have reflect/counter for whatever element, that is how it works in Persona 4 so that is what we are going with.
    and no because Vorpal sword is used with a single invocation, whereas Gilgamesh fires each sword individually.
    Araya, what do you seek?
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    ------True wisdom.
    「――――真の叡智を」
    Araya, where do you seek it?
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    Only within myself.
    「――――ただ、己が内にのみ」
    Araya, what is your favorite color?
    「アラヤ、好きな色は?」
    Blue. No, ora-- Auuuuuuuugh!
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    > Q. What skills Gilgamesh Sword skill is not that, then the Swallow Flight Reversal
    > How do I beat Assassin Gill, once captured in the interval?

    > From the king's treasure or armor that is prevented by A., multi-dimensional refractive armor for Toka Heron also smell
    > Could come out great. But there are so Gill opponent's ability to understand it correctly,
    > In the fight against sword skill assassin is probably not
    reposting from last page for epic lulz
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    Yeah, Kojiro is overpowered from his ridiculous practice battles with swallows. I thought we already knew that.

    >>Toka heron will also smell

    Lololololololol

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    Quote Originally Posted by terraablaze View Post
    @apple
    nope it works like if you have reflect/counter for whatever element, that is how it works in Persona 4 so that is what we are going with.
    and no because Vorpal sword is used with a single invocation, whereas Gilgamesh fires each sword individually.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PnjAV7j_yA

    'Individually'? If he had to spam swords one by one like that, his mind would burst faster than Shiki's.

    Also, as arrows, all of those swords would have a single 'element'. Pierce.

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    Anyway. If Minato uses Tetrakarn or Makarakarn, the same thing will happen to him as happens to me every time I use those skills in a MegaTen game. The boss he's fighting (Gil) will simply drop his previous strategy, and start spamming Almighty spells. Which translates to no sword spam, just Enuma Elish, over and over and over.

  16. #10056
    @apple

    thank goodness he is so super smart with a large ego. Older people equal better.

    ^
    this too
    Araya, what do you seek?
    「アラヤ、何を求める」
    ------True wisdom.
    「――――真の叡智を」
    Araya, where do you seek it?
    「アラヤ、何処に求める」
    Only within myself.
    「――――ただ、己が内にのみ」
    Araya, what is your favorite color?
    「アラヤ、好きな色は?」
    Blue. No, ora-- Auuuuuuuugh!
    「青、いや、オレンジイイイイイアアアっ!」

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    @McJon

    Yeah, but Gil isn't like most bosses. He doesn't use Ea until it's far too late. He has already proven this on at least one occasion.

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    It doesn't matter. This is Minato's failing, an aspect of his setting that he has no control over. Bosses be dicks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apple View Post
    Yeah, Excalibur went through the armour.
    Excaliblast (or whatever it was) went through. During the fight at the bridge, the armor resisted several slashes (+ repelled Enuma Elish if this happens in the VN too, and not only in the anime. And still it wasn't completely destroyed)

    Armor + magical shields more ancient than you can think of should be able to repel at least one reflected GoB.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tobias View Post
    your assuming gil could prevent tetra?

    thats....a huge reach, even for gil. hell, especially for gil
    Perhaps. Tetra is stronger than Ea? That's the turning point of everything.

    So, in all honesty, how much strong is this curse?


    (oh, and another question, since it doesn't seem to reflect back the sword, does it works by negating the damage and inflicting the wound to the opponent?)

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    Gil wouldn't translate very well to an RPG boss. He doesn't have the inordinate amount of hp.

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