Badass Versus Thread

[Ronove]

via expugnatio did not run over lancelot.
if via expugnatio was used, lancelot would be fried kayneth
lancelot got a love tap

Those are some very strong bulls then.

Don't forget the poison

Would this even work on Medusa? She was a former goddess I think and RT's authorities shouldn't affect her.

Won't stop Ozy from roasting the poor girl though.

[Altaris]

E rank Divinity doesnt do her jackshit in term of poison resistance

[You]

Would this even work on Medusa? She was a former goddess I think and RT's authorities shouldn't affect her.

Won't stop Ozy from roasting the poor girl though.

You can use a NP if you're a former goddess but the poison is still poisonous to you as poison.

[Ronove]

You can use a NP if you're a former goddess but the poison is still poisonous to you as poison.

Then why wasn't Bryn affected like Arthur and Arash?

E rank Divinity doesnt do her jackshit in term of poison resistance

Divinity rank has nothing to do with this case. It's whether you are, were, or were formerly owned by, a God. Ozy's authorities either work or they don't. What I want to know is whether that's limited to the NP seal or if the poison is included since they have the same origin.

[BK201]

Spoiler:

From what I've read, Achilles can equip Kosmos to his chariot. Chariot should be comparable to Via Expugnatio, which nearly ran over Lancelot.

I'd say they both have defenses neither can easily penetrate. Karna needs VS to have a chance but if he does that, he loses his own defense while the same wouldn't necessarily be said for Achilles. It'd depend on the difefrence between him using it and Astolfo; judging by the quality of the respective owners, I'd say quite a bit.

Karna has no reason to use VS when Achilles defence is useless against him. On the other hand, whatever Achilles throw at Karna will be reduced to scratches. If Achilles activate his shield constantly with his chariot for the whole battle, his mana will drain like crazy while still having no way to deal significant damage to Karna. Karna just have to keep tanking while waiting for his chance since Achilles won't last long with both nps activated.

[Ronove]

Karna has no reason to use VS when Achilles defence is useless against him. On the other hand, whatever Achilles throw at Karna will be reduced to scratches. If Achilles activate his shield constantly with his chariot for the whole battle, his mana will drain like crazy while still having no way to deal significant damage to Karna. Karna just have to keep tanking while waiting for his chance since Achilles won't last long with both nps activated.

Do we know that Kosmos drains a significant amount of energy?

If yes, then I agree.

[You]

well we know achilles is a super draining servant
so if his probably most awesome sauce np doesn't drain much then there's probably something wrong right

[Arha]

If we're talking mana problems then saying Achilles will have trouble and Karna won't seems weird to me.

[Ronove]

well we know achilles is a super draining servant
so if his probably most awesome sauce np doesn't drain much then there's probably something wrong right

i thought achilles was low maint while Karna was the mana hog!

[BK201]

Karna is a mana hog when going ham with prana burst and kundala. In this scenario, Karna is just tanking with his armour while Achilles is going ham with both of his nps activated.

[Tarlo Viola]

Gilgamesh VS Night of Wallachia

[Ronove]

Karna is a mana hog when going ham with prana burst and kundala. In this scenario, Karna is just tanking with his armour while Achilles is going ham with both of his nps activated.

This isn't really answering my question.

Having 2 NPs activated isn't a cause for alarm by itself compared to how cost effective they are. I've also noticed Riders in general tend to have numerous NPs in use to begin with.

You (the poster) said Achilles was mana inefficient in general, that would mean that using his NPs will drain him faster and he'd have no way of keeping up with Karna in the long run. That'd be the first I'd heard of Achilles having those issues, hence my confusion.

[You]

i thought achilles was low maint while Karna was the mana hog!

He is without a doubt first rate as a Servant. Even among the Servants from Greek legend, he boasts of power that ranks next to Heracles. He also has an abnormally abundant number of Noble Phantasms. In the beginning, all these Noble Phantasms were written out, and when I consulted over how many of them should be used, Mr. NP said, “Isn’t a super-strong Servant with an abundance of Noble Phantasms fine?”, and easily permitted all of them to be adopted. I never thought I would end up using all of them…
Naturally, he is a Servant who would instantly run out of prana if he used them in a normal Holy Grail War. The prana consumption of Rider’s chariot is uncommonly harsh in particular, and only a first rate Master could fully utilize him.

they're both hogs

chariot is the worst though

When Achilles is summoned as a Rider, his most harshly prana-consuming Noble Phantasm is this chariot. In the worst case, it is estimated that it can consume enough prana to summon another Servant besides Achilles.

[BK201]

This isn't really answering my question.

Having 2 NPs activated isn't a cause for alarm by itself compared to how cost effective they are. I've also noticed Riders in general tend to have numerous NPs in use to begin with.

You (the poster) said Achilles was mana inefficient in general, that would mean that using his NPs will drain him faster and he'd have no way of keeping up with Karna in the long run. That'd be the first I'd heard of Achilles having those issues, hence my confusion.

As You posted above, the chariot is not cost effective and added on with the shield active is definitely going to be draining. There is no way he can outlast Karna with just his armour on and tanking.

[Ronove]

Interesting bit of info. Thanks.

[eddyak]

Gilgamesh VS Night of Wallachia

Gil pulls an NP designed to kill the unkillable, bake the unbakeable, row, row, pass the flour.

[BK201]

Just like how he pulled out a anti-tiamat np and one shotted her right and then went on to pull out a anti-goetia np and one shotted him

[Canon]

If the plot required it, probably

[GhostWolf]

As You posted above, the chariot is not cost effective and added on with the shield active is definitely going to be draining. There is no way he can outlast Karna with just his armour on and tanking.

Isnt karna draining a lot of mana too? Saying that only achilles got that problem woudltn be true..

[castor212]

only if he go ham with flame burst

if he just play it slow and steady with his armor and spearwork, things are a-ok