I mean, it's not that ridiculous. "We don't want our team to backstab us again, so we made them literally unable to" is pretty solid logic.
Besides, even without his mind Herk was the clear favourite to win the HGW. It's not his fault that Nasu hit him with the Worf Effect every route.
I get the logic of "we need a win, therefore we make sure our master's loyal to us and their Servant literally can't disobey", but the berserker thing is pretty dumb. The moment you make your Servant a Berserker, you've basically just removed most of their combat potential, even if Herc did have a fallback in the form of twelve lives and near-invincibility. You really can't count on that sort of thing when you're fighting humanity's greatest legends, the ultimate in weirdness and freakishly powerful people.
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When? As far as I can tell he just uses gun Kanshou and Byakuya and Unlimited Lost Works. I didn't see any indication he projected NPs or anything like that. But like I said I don't know what he did in SERAPH.Originally Posted by Arashi_Leonhart
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What I was saying is he seemed to be outperforming Lancelot without even losing any lives until the fight dragged out. It seems like he'd beat down Lance with all his NPs even without God Hand.
then all the more reason for it to be weird calling him unimpressive
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Kanshou and Byakuya is literally NP's being projected
Projected then modified as hell to be guns, but projected NPs nonetheless.
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I wouldn't be so sure that he would, beat Lancelot that quickly. NPs aside, while Herk was at a disadvantage by protecting Illya, it's not like he would be able to do gymnastics with Gil's stuff like Lance did. At most, he would have used his extra lives as a buffer so that he could get close to Gilgamesh to wreck. Or am I being mistaken about what fight your talking about? If so my apologies.
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No Illya wouldn't make any difference. Gil wasn't even going allout during that fight
Gil's own statements that without Illya Herk could have a chance of winning. I'm just thinking on how exactly would that happen. It's just theorizing tho so take it as you will.
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Kid Gil vs Alkeides
I'd have believed that statement if Gil actually bother to put on his golden armor. But he didn't
I think he wasn't getting serious since Herk was still just protecting Illya, and with that he didn't feel like taking the fight that seriously as long as that was happening. That's what I think at least.
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I wasn't calling Hercules unimpressive, I was saying it's unimpressive how far below Herc Lancelot performed.
How is it he can project them as guns? It should be too mana consuming for him to consistently project modern weapons, although I guess having blades added on might help. Anyway I was referring to other NPs. Regular Emiya would still have the advantage with Caldbolg, Hrunting, Rho Aias, etc. which Alter doesn't seem to use. Although like I said we may just know too little about him.
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He wouldn't have been pulling gymnastics but he would've operated a lot better. Just carrying Illya at full speed would flay her flesh off. Herc wasn't slow either, he was still faster than Shirou's Saber. He was just bulky.
He doesn't, he projects the blades modified into guns. Just like Caladbolg II is a sword, but turned into an arrow.
Because what you said is like comparing a guy who got A on math and a guy who got A+ on math, and then said wow this guy only got A? How unimpressive, disregarding the fact that getting above B in math is already a damn colossal result not many can replicate.
Sun boosted Gawain vs Babylonia Quetzalcoatl
he would not be able to take a hit regardless of armor
that was the whole thing in the VN if i remember right
Herk gets one hit in = Herk wins
otherwise Gil wins
but since Herk had to protect Ilya his chance of closing the distance and getting a hit in was 0.
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Gawain is Lawful Good, sunbuff or not he's not doing any damage to Babylonia Quetz.
I refuse to believe gil's armor is significantly worse than artoria's that he'd drop in one hit
unless herk decapitated him because what are helmets
Yeah he probably wouldn't be out in one hit, but he would hurt as hell and as like that would stop Herk from attacking.
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Quetz was tearing through groups of Ilamu with her divinity cut in half and it only took a small group of those to kill Kingu. She's on another tier from Servants.
Kingu did not expect the betrayal from them. Completely different scenario.
Idk. Gil's Armor can definitely take at least one or two hit imo. His Armor is a lot more durable than you're giving it credit for. It took a full Excaliblast at close range from Artoria to 1 shot him. I don't think Herc can 1 shot him to the same effecthe would not be able to take a hit regardless of armor
that was the whole thing in the VN if i remember right
Herk gets one hit in = Herk wins
otherwise Gil wins
but since Herk had to protect Ilya his chance of closing the distance and getting a hit in was 0.
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