Badass Versus Thread

[Apple]

Asagami Fujino vs Rin

[You]

Well doesn't Karna's legend have him lose some of his stuff innately? Like he had to give up his armor. Sure he still needs to do that to use his super spear but the fact the lost it doesn't mean he can't have it while summoned.

Karna never lost his armor. He exchanged it for the spear.
Which is the dichotomy of VS and K&K

[castor212]

do we have other stuffs that counts as missing NPs

irl legend i mean

[Iceblade44]

Siegfried calls his treasure a lost NP or something like that, and we know it's not something he's normally summoned with so theres something for that.

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Ah Didn't see you said IRL

Then Crocea Mors

[8000]

There was a discussion about fame boosts recently. It was sort of concluded that they weren't actually that big, considering Artoria was summoned in Western Europe for the fourth war and so was Hercules in the fifth (Herc gets his full boost everywhere in Western Europe). I think Artoria would at most max her class container in England. The main thing fame boosts seem to be good for is extra skills and NPs, but Artoria doesn't seem to get those given Nasu didn't mention them when he was explaining her fame boost along with Herc and Cu's (Cu being the only one who was mentioned as getting extra NPs).

Strangely enough George doesn't have Dragon Slayer. Assuming the fame boosts from England cancel each other out, Artoria would win due to the speed gap. She has a whole rank of agility over him and instinct to widen the gap. George's best hope would be annoying her with durability enough that she uses Excalibur, then nullifying Excalibur with Bayard, which would leave her drained. Whether this would happen depends on if instinct decides to work today.

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Actually wait, I checked again and George doesn't have the Dragon Slayer skill but he does have an NP that does the same thing. Probably wins with that.

[eddyak]

Saitama has no way to perm kill Archetype


She can't kill him short of stopping Earth's Rotation and waiting for him to die

that's all I'm going to say because appealing to being a gag character makes my head hurt

Word of God has it that Saitama throwing a full punch would pretty easily be in the kill planets range, if not solar systems.

There was a discussion about fame boosts recently. It was sort of concluded that they weren't actually that big, considering Artoria was summoned in Western Europe for the fourth war and so was Hercules in the fifth (Herc gets his full boost everywhere in Western Europe). I think Artoria would at most max her class container in England.

Bad examples there. Saber's still alive, and is summoned in exactly the same state she's in when she was on that hill making the contract. Hell, she can't even use spirit form, she isn't even really a heroic spirit there. Herc's summoned as a Berserker, and apparently Einzbern-modified, the only NPs he uses are ones that exist innately.

[You]

There was a discussion about fame boosts recently. It was sort of concluded that they weren't actually that big, considering Artoria was summoned in Western Europe for the fourth war and so was Hercules in the fifth (Herc gets his full boost everywhere in Western Europe). I think Artoria would at most max her class container in England. The main thing fame boosts seem to be good for is extra skills and NPs, but Artoria doesn't seem to get those given Nasu didn't mention them when he was explaining her fame boost along with Herc and Cu's (Cu being the only one who was mentioned as getting extra NPs).

Apo makes it seemingly so that you don't get the fame boost unless you are in that area. It doesn't matter if you were summoned in Europe if you go to Japan for instance.
Jeanne was summoned in France for instance but the grail war is in romania.

[Express]

Word of God has it that Saitama throwing a full punch would pretty easily be in the kill planets range, if not solar systems.

ONE's actually said that Saitama punching for real is in the ballpark of destroying half of the universe. Memes are the strongest force known to man.

Also, Hoenheim (FMA) and Hoenheim (Fragments)

[hayate]

Asagami Fujino vs Rin

Rin will be bent by Fujino before she can even say "Gandr".

That's if she had her Clairvoyance and her pain sensation restored by Araya Souren.

And it might be too far for me to say this, but Fujino's actually a Bender.

[AvengerEmiya]

Apo makes it seemingly so that you don't get the fame boost unless you are in that area. It doesn't matter if you were summoned in Europe if you go to Japan for instance.
Jeanne was summoned in France for instance but the grail war is in romania.

Which is a change by Higashide that I actually appreciated and wished everyone else had done earlier.

I mean, if you could get a fame boost by being summoned in your home turf and keep it when you leave, then wouldn't everyone just do that? Especially considering Japanese HS can't be summoned normally in the Fuyuki War?

[GundamFSN]

I always presumed fame boost has always worked like that. It just doesn't make any sense otherwise since HS is interrelated to humanity. If people don't remember you then you're basically dead.

[8000]

I mean, if you could get a fame boost by being summoned in your home turf and keep it when you leave, then wouldn't everyone just do that? Especially considering Japanese HS can't be summoned normally in the Fuyuki War?

Probably only the Einzberns can summon servants outside Fuyuki.

[Zurvan]

Apo disagrees

[8000]

The Grail was modded in Apo.

[Megas]

The Grail was modded in Apo.

Eh, I wouldn't doubt anyone with sufficient knowledge of the Grail system (Zouken comes to mind) could probably pull it off.

The question is if it's worth the strain of doing that if you don't have a Grail nearby offsetting the cost.

[Qinglong]

ONE's actually said that Saitama punching for real is in the ballpark of destroying half of the universe. Memes are the strongest force known to man.Also, Hoenheim (FMA) and Hoenheim (Fragments)

this is constantly stated, but is actually a fan statement with no actual source. Even if he could the latter statement of destroying the planet, he wouldn't because, he would kill himself in the process. At worst it's a mutual KO.

[You]

The Grail was modded in Apo.

modded in 2 ways
1. to adapt it for Romania
2. to allow for the summoning of non Hero Heroic Spirits

He altered the Greater Grail little by little to adapt it to Trifas. His achievement in making it possible to summon not only pure Heroics Spirits, but also ‘those who only have the aspect of a Heroic Spirit’ could be called an unexpected by-product of the alteration process.

[Lord C]

modded in 2 ways
1. to adapt it for Romania
2. to allow for the summoning of non Hero Heroic Spirits

It was also modded to remove the Hassan restrictions, as the 19 Hassans had their identities and powers exposed due to their usage in the minor Grail Wars that occurred around the world.

[8000]

modded in 2 ways
1. to adapt it for Romania
2. to allow for the summoning of non Hero Heroic Spirits

I would think they also modded it so they could summon servants outside Trifas given Jack's master did. If the Einzberns could also do it that would make sense. Might not even be a mod in that case.

I suppose the other explanation is no one tried to summon servants before going to Fuyuki.

[LeadDemon]

It was also modded to remove the Hassan restrictions, as the 19 Hassans had their identities and powers exposed due to their usage in the minor Grail Wars that occurred around the world.

No, that's just a thing.

Hassan-i Sabbah was the head of a legendary order of shadowy killers in the Middle East, and the one from whom the term assassin could be traced back to. However, history told of only nineteen individuals who took up the name of Hassan. Normally, when summoning Assassin, one of these nineteen would be called. Although it was possible for others to answer the summons, the chances were so low that one could be forgiven for believing them nonexistent.

Across the many Holy Grail Wars, not only had the true names of the nineteen Assassins been laid bare, but the nature of their Noble Phantasms as well. Yet the Masters feared Hassan-i Sabbah all the same. It was beyond count how many Masters lost their lives at their hands, as Hassan slipped through regardless of all their countermeasures.

However, thanks to those countermeasures, the possibility of Hassan being killed by their targets became exceedingly high. It became common perception that summoning Assassin was an immeasurable gamble – as one either ended up taking the Holy Grail, or death swiftly followed.

Aside from that, the summoning of Hassan as the Assassin Servant was due to the word assassin itself being their catalyst. As such, if one were more creative in arranging additional lines in the summoning incantation, bringing in catalysts not associated with Hassan, then it would not be out of the question to call upon other Heroic Spirits. For example, Semiramis who was summoned by Shirou in the Red camp.