Badass Versus Thread

[SpoonyViking]

That Herakles didn't have God Hand anymore. It was barely even alive.

The pelt protects against manmade weapons, right? Would it even work against the rock-sword?

[Lily Emilio]

Alcides does what Shirou did.

And Shirou killed rotting-and-blind-Herc-with-his-skin-ripped-off once. So by that logic Alcides at best should be able to kill not-rotting-and-not-blind-Herc-with-his-skin-still-intact once.

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That Herakles didn't have God Hand anymore. It was barely even alive.

The pelt protects against manmade weapons, right? Would it even work against the rock-sword?

I'd figure Herc just gonna go in and hulk smash.

[8000]

And Shirou killed rotting-and-blind-Herc-with-his-skin-ripped-off once. So by that logic Alcides at best should be able to kill not-rotting-and-not-blind-Herc-with-his-skin-still-intact once.

Herc had his skin ripped off but his flesh and bones were still intact. Being blind doesn't affect durability. Yes it would probably be harder to land the attack on Hercules regularly but Alcides is more skilled than him with much better stats than Shirou so I don't see why it wouldn't be possible when Emiya landed hits in Herc in melee.

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That Herakles didn't have God Hand anymore. It was barely even alive.

The pelt protects against manmade weapons, right? Would it even work against the rock-sword?

He did have God Hand, otherwise he wouldn't have healed from Shirou killing him. He had a couple lives taken by Saber earlier.

It protects from anything originating in human history, so non-manmade things would still count if they were made for a human. Why wouldn't the rock sword just be manmade anyway? It's not a divine construct last I checked.

[Lily Emilio]

You should reread the part bro. And again, it does not matter, it only took out ONE life while you claimed that we knew it's gonna be 9 lives. That's pretty ridiculous.

[castor212]

Presumably dying Herc has no Mind's Eye on the level of normal Zherc.

Its considerably much harder to hit a lethal attack on Zherc. He's actually fast and dodgy despite the size, and can instinctively recognize which attacks is dangerous to him or otherwise.

[eddyak]

He did have God Hand, otherwise he wouldn't have healed from Shirou killing him. He had a couple lives taken by Saber earlier.

He didn't have God Hand, because the lives taken to kill him don't add up, and also because a more powerful curse overcomes a lesser one, and also because he was rotting instead of healing, the way he would have been if GH had still been intact.

[8000]

He didn't have God Hand, because the lives taken to kill him don't add up, and also because a more powerful curse overcomes a lesser one, and also because he was rotting instead of healing, the way he would have been if GH had still been intact.

Didn't he have two lives taken by Saber earlier? It was clearly working somehow given he healed from Nine Lives and Shirou had to kill him again.

Regardless I'll re-read the scene when I have time.

[Rafflesiac]

Alcides does what Shirou did.

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I doubt Hercules remembers how he killed the lion and Nartia implied there was a special method at least for skinning it. Could be he just choked it out but that wouldn't be practical against Alcides.

How hard is it to choke a bitch

[8000]

Read over the scene again, yeah God Hand wasn't active. There was no mention of healing and it seems like he just powered through his wounds.

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How hard is it to choke a bitch

Pretty hard given Alcides wouldn't just let him get in that position when he has more skill. Also Hercules is skilled but not exactly tactical.

I still think Alcides could win. I wish we had a better idea of how good God Hand's adaptation is.

[Ronove]

Alcides NTRs himself and steals God Hand.

[Alterdream]

One more thing that Alcides has is the third NP that allows him to steal other NP's, so he could technically steal Herc's God Hand. Of course we still don't know exactly how that particular NP works, so there could be limitations we don't know and it's possible Alcides would just refuse to steal God Hand, but at least it is a possibility.

*sniped

[8000]

I don't think Alcides would steal God Hand. It's a divine blessing and he doesn't want those anywhere near him.

[castor212]

less badass versus, more appreciation/analysis

ive always liked rama's kit cuz his feels comfy. as in, things complement each other. his divinity increases the scope of his vishnu bujna which makes him more able to display his martial blessing. granted, charisma and the curse doesnt really do much in battle most of the time, but his stuffs interlink with each other, i like that about rama. he felt well thought in design.

but now that i take a second look, beowulf might just even be comfier

berserk is no selling mental interference, increase melee damage, and i assume also has ME stlye parameter increase because the wording is "a skill combining the skill bravery and ME" and since it got all bravery effects im assuming its the same case with the ME effects.
thats good enough but the part i want to take a look is the fighting like animal intuitively
the kanji is different from capital I Instinct, but id like to think that instinct is a factor when he's fighting animal style intuitively, because in the end instinct is a skill to "feel", not to "think".
so im assuming instinct helps him when fighting berserk, albeit maybe slightly disregarded some of the time because, animal; what im imagining is that even in animal mode thanks to instinct he'd still strike or evade or whatever, do stuffs that is most beneficial for him in battle
then there is BC, which is about fighting even when injured as long its not HP=0 sort of injured, good insurance to make him keep on going even when in animal mode

then there is hrunting, an auto bot. its like it compensates even more for his attacks; even if his instinct isnt perfect, the aimbot would make the attacks more precise, and coupled with his innate STR with berserk parameter boost and instinct's "feel", we got hell of a close quarter fighter in beowulf
naegling is uh naegling. time bomb sword. i guess its really just swing swing swing this big mace until it explodes?

but then, even after all that, if naegling exploded and hrunting for some reason is destroyed (actually idont know how easy this is)
he can then Grendel Buster, all the while still having the benefit from berserk parameter increase and instinct's feel plus batcont making him still fight even if he got wounded as both his sword was destroyed, but this time the melee damage increase is put to effect, cuz grendel buster is melee NP. Maybe less precise because no hrunting, but definitely more firepower




tl;dr i wish the whole thing i just wrote is used in america or heck anastasia, but nope
like, in america i guess its understandable cuz beowulf and li was jacking up on old fashioned fistfight, but i figure he could do some really awesome stuffs in anastasia. even billy got some awesome moments and quality time with his marksmanship and quick draw
sometimes i really wish some servants gets to implement their skills in story battle

[LeadDemon]

I hope there'd be some weird interaction between King's Order and God Hand since they're both the Twelve Labors.

God Hand's the result of triumphing over the Twelve Labors while King's Order is basically just recreating the Twelve Labors (you need to fight anti-humanity-skin, you need to fight underworld dog, you need to fight metal birds), so God Hand implicitly triumphs independent of rank.

I dunno, that seems like it'd be fun. I'd say even as Zerk, Herc has an advantage in handling King's Order regardless just based on that though, while Alkeides has a much harder time handling God Hand even with that aside since it's not like all of King's Order stuff is A rank, so it'd probably come down to what Reincarnation Pandora can do, which is ???.

Edit: Oh unless King's Order has a hydra thing. That could clinch it maybe?

[Alterdream]

Lancelot Saber vs Lancelot Berserker

[castor212]

i think i just got ripped in 2

[Zurvan]

My money's on Lancelot

[castor212]

in all seriousness

Before extella Idve said Saberlot
But then Link had to go and make Zerklot have access to ADOL, too, so its probably slightly leaning towards Zerklot favor

[Alterdream]

My money's on Lancelot

Hard to say. Personally I think that Lancelot would beat him.

[SpoonyViking]

"ADOL"?