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    That if you had an Anti-Divine NP or God-killing NP it could have worked on him

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    Karl vs King hassan in a religious debate (as well as any insuing issues)
    Hassan would go immediantly to cutting heads.

    Tho I'm curious, can mechs be even instant killed?
    "Only in my company, will you not be a monster"


    anywhere than here

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    Which episode was that? I'm wondering the context (specifically who he said it to).

    Although anime isn't source material regardless so I wouldn't use that as evidence without a statement elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 8000 View Post
    Which episode was that? I'm wondering the context (specifically who he said it to).

    Although anime isn't source material regardless so I wouldn't use that as evidence without a statement elsewhere.
    When he fought Siegfried
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    Ryougi Shiki versus Machina (Dies Irae)

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    A near full power machina is still slow to the point that you can predict his next attack by using sound

    And at full power, he is still considered slower than base form willhelm by the MC

    So as long as yiu use a version of shiki that is faster than sound, she should easily win
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    It does mean that, but not literally.
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    Literally none of this addresses my complaint. What we see in the story IS all there is of him. A footnote in a side material book saying "oh btw that's totally not his real self" is irrelevant to the way he's presented in the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoydGolden View Post
    Ryougi Shiki versus Machina (Dies Irae)
    I'd take MEoDP over DeM in the broader killing agenda since it lets Shiki cut apart even weird stuff like her emotions or that one time where she destroyed Meruka's future, while DeM only affects "physicals" like the body and the soul. On the other hand, even normal Machina is much stronger and has a higher ceiling of what he can murder than Ryougi.

    He fights with lightning-speed users, timestop and time accelerators amplifying their speed by the thousands when they had already broken supersonic. Ryougi can't even come close to an average servant, she has zero chance.

    If this is Legion Machina, you could put all of Fate and they'd still lose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronove View Post
    I'd take MEoDP over DeM in the broader killing agenda since it lets Shiki cut apart even weird stuff like her emotions or that one time where she destroyed Meruka's future, while DeM only affects "physicals" like the body and the soul. On the other hand, even normal Machina is much stronger and has a higher ceiling of what he can murder than Ryougi.

    He fights with lightning-speed users, timestop and time accelerators amplifying their speed by the thousands when they had already broken supersonic. Ryougi can't even come close to an average servant, she has zero chance.

    If this is Legion Machina, you could put all of Fate and they'd still lose.
    Obviously this is pre-Legion Machina. Other than that, what you said sounds about right.

    Though, I think Void Shiki might have a good chance of surviving one of Machina's punches, since Midgard Volsunga Saga only affects things with "history", and 「 」 presumably exists outside of time.

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    Touma Kamijou vs Shiki Ryougi (Not Void)

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    doesn’t touma do poorly against pure martial artists...?

    i mean he can keep up with accelerator so is probably faster then her and all, but even if he could stop her from seeing lines, which is highly arguable on like three or four different levels, she still has a sword.
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    Touma gets stabbed.

    Did you really expect more from literally just a high school guy?
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    Ah, no. The only lighting speed guy he hit he blindsided because the focus wasnt on him.

    Ren could perfectly keep up with him when he was using the briah to actually lower his base speed.

    Resisting time stop if because of hadou briah mechanics

    Fighting self_accelerators is stated to be a big "wtf" moment by the fighters themselves because of the relationship between them. Even Ren couldnt tell what was going on or if he was getting slower somehow or machina was getting faster somehow and contradicts a ton of stuff in the series
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    It does mean that, but not literally.
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    Literally none of this addresses my complaint. What we see in the story IS all there is of him. A footnote in a side material book saying "oh btw that's totally not his real self" is irrelevant to the way he's presented in the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobias View Post
    doesn’t touma do poorly against pure martial artists...?

    i mean he can keep up with accelerator so is probably faster then her and all, but even if he could stop her from seeing lines, which is highly arguable on like three or four different levels, she still has a sword.
    Accelerator isn't that fast.

    I mean, he COULD accelerate (heh) pretty fast if he wanted to, but he didn't really bother trying to outspeed Touma when they fought the first time and he wasn't fighting for keeps the second. A better example would be his fight with Thor or the one with Acqua. In which he merely predicted where the first would move and got soundly beaten by the second (who had the durability not to go down in one punch).

    Also yeah, people who don't rely on powers and just plain know how to fight are his bane. His easiest L thus far was when he got choked out by a Special Forces soldier that snuck up on him.
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    Iirc there is a piece of side material in index which states the class triangle persists even to this day. As in, touma beats accelerator, accelerator beats....


    ugh

    someone... and then that someone beats touma. Anyway, accelerator loses to touma. Due to a massive, nigh Lancelot beating saber class affinity advantage, but that means touma’s reaction speed is high enough to deal with someone of that speed, so Ryougi isn’t going to speed blitz him.

    that said, stabbing, again, is still quite workable as a strategy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobias View Post
    doesn’t touma do poorly against pure martial artists...?

    i mean he can keep up with accelerator so is probably faster then her and all, but even if he could stop her from seeing lines, which is highly arguable on like three or four different levels, she still has a sword.
    In theory, but then he tends to win anyway with just as much effort as literally any other fight because street fighting > sword and also learning martial arts would be totally against everything he believes in, man. And even when he loses he still seems to win, like with Kanzaki just stringing him up and then going down to a stern scolding.

    But if you take away his plot armor she just walks up, stabs him and walks off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eddyak View Post
    Touma gets stabbed.

    Did you really expect more from literally just a high school guy?
    I don't know what high school you went to but most high school guys I knew couldn't react to a projectile coming at them at 3x the speed of sound, or punch someone hard enough that upon their head smashing the concrete wall, said wall gains a large crater.

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    Clearly you didn’t go to an anime high school then
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    Quote Originally Posted by Urameshi Yūsuke View Post
    I don't know what high school you went to but most high school guys I knew couldn't react to a projectile coming at them at 3x the speed of sound, or punch someone hard enough that upon their head smashing the concrete wall, said wall gains a large crater.
    Not to mention that after surviving so much crazy shit, he gained a kind of sixth sense that lets him predict incoming attacks before they happen. (In Fate terms, he'd totally have Instinct at a low rank)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobias View Post
    Clearly you didn’t go to an anime high school then
    Yeah, I got suck with boring american cartoon high school.
    Quote Originally Posted by RoydGolden View Post
    Not to mention that after surviving so much crazy shit, he gained a kind of sixth sense that lets him predict incoming attacks before they happen. (In Fate terms, he'd totally have Instinct at a low rank)
    Plus, there is... that dragon? In his arm to consider. Fuck up Fiamma real good.

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    Invisible Thing jobs more than Kanzaki, RIP
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rafflesiac View Post
    Invisible Thing jobs more than Kanzaki, RIP
    iirc it has 2 losses, one against a Magic God that was Reality Warping to break Toumas will, and the other an Angel that is beyond Gods control, and can apparently gomba stomp the former.

    No really jobbing, imho.

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