Badass Versus Thread

[Megas]

Pegasus is almost certainly a lot more agile than the chariot+bulls, even if they beat it in durability.

Basically the glass cannon is going to be better than the tank if the tank can't hit the glass cannon.

That and Medusa is the one driving, iirc Iskandar doesn't have the stats to deal with cybele.

Would Cybele work on the bulls?

[Deathhappens]

Casseur di Logistille passively gives him A-rank MR whether he remembers its name or not. It's remembering its name that allows Astolfo to actively cancel most spells, even if they're super-OP like Semi's beams. So I take it your question was if he could cancel her Mystic Eyes, as Mystic Eyes are generally magecraft. I'd say yes, but that doesn't help much since she'd win a jousting battle; Pegasus stronk. Even if he warped past her, the Pegasus boosts Medusa's defense through its presence, so a cross-counter isn't viable; she also has his number in close-combat.

Meduseless takes it.

Leaving mounts aside, since Bel definitely has the edge on firepower, are Astolfo's parameters for CQC really that bad? I mean, Medusa does have Monstrous Strength, but even ordinary human Shirou was able to parry her nails.

[Arashi_Leonhart]

Gimped Medusa and enhanced Shirou

[Iceblade44]

Would Cybele work on the bulls?

I doubt it, the bulls can produce magical energy that overwhelms a Servant in just one stomp.

im not wondering about Iskandar vs Medusa, but Gordius Wheel vs Pegasus. The Pegasus is faster but the thing is it attacking is just a ram, I don’t see why GW needs to dodge that since it will also gonna be ramming as well

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

Does Pegasus have that much destructive power? The bulls required an Excaliblast to be destroyed, albeit a small one, so they are pretty damned durable.

Also, you mentioned earlier that you thought the Gordius Wheel could beat Achilles' chariot, and I wonder how that is possible. Achilles' chariot is super fast and costs as much mana as an extra Servant. How can Iskandar beat that?

[Iceblade44]

Because Iskandars is more destructive. Note that his chariot is higher rank, a lightingbolt from one step has more magical energy then a Servant while for Iskandar having it out isn’t normally a bother for him. What Troias has over that is speed but if just comparing the two Gordius wheel is the better choice

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Also Pegasus is also durable, again needing excaliblast. The reins don’t just boost attack but also defense

[eddyak]

Pegasus without the bridle is like a gigantic cannonball, which gets upgraded to a massive wall of mana when the bridle's equipped. It's far more tanky than Gordius Wheel, to the point where it only needed a gimped Rho Aius to be able to beat out an Excaliblast.

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Leaving mounts aside, since Bel definitely has the edge on firepower, are Astolfo's parameters for CQC really that bad? I mean, Medusa does have Monstrous Strength, but even ordinary human Shirou was able to parry her nails.

IIRC Nasu's line for Medusa's strength was "she can lift and toss large vehicles without much effort". Medusa under Shinji is so gimped she can't punch through the swords Shirou turns into.

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Pegasus is almost certainly a lot more agile than the chariot+bulls, even if they beat it in durability.

Basically the glass cannon is going to be better than the tank if the tank can't hit the glass cannon.

That and Medusa is the one driving, iirc Iskandar doesn't have the stats to deal with cybele.

Would Cybele work on the bulls?

They definitely don't beat Pegasus in durability. Reread Fate & HF.

[Arha]

IIRC Nasu's line for Medusa's strength was "she can lift and toss large vehicles without much effort". Medusa under Shinji is so gimped she can't punch through the swords Shirou turns into.

Jojo references are highest lore?

[You]

God Bulls are Divine Beasts. And there are 2 of them. They easily outclass Pegasus without the bridle. Especially considering the Pegsuii don't even want to fight.
Divine Beast > Monstrous Beast with the stats of a Phantasmal Beast

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

Because Iskandars is more destructive. Note that his chariot is higher rank, a lightingbolt from one step has more magical energy then a Servant while for Iskandar having it out isn’t normally a bother for him. What Troias has over that is speed but if just comparing the two Gordius wheel is the better choice

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Also Pegasus is also durable, again needing excaliblast. The reins don’t just boost attack but also defense

My question still remains though, is the Pegasus strong enough to outright destroy the Gordius Wheel?

[You]

My question still remains though, is the Pegasus strong enough to outright destroy the Gordius Wheel?

Nah
Especially if Iskander mods for defense

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

Could the Bull of Heaven beat the Gordius Wheel? They're both Divine Bulls, so I just want to know if Guggulana or however you spell it wins by virtue of being the Bull of Heaven.

[You]

Bull of Heaven is one of the strongest Divine Beast so yes

Ishtar, enraged by Gilgamesh's insults, as her revenge, clung to her father, the god Anu, in tears and released the greatest of divine beasts, "the Bull of Heaven," onto the earth.
"The Bull of Heaven" is a disaster of extreme magnitude clad in storms. When it appeared, a seven-year famine and destruction occurred on earth. In other words, the downfall of Uruk.

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

How do Types typically fare against Divine Beasts or super strong Phantasmal Beasts?

[Iceblade44]

My question still remains though, is the Pegasus strong enough to outright destroy the Gordius Wheel?

What you should be asking isn't Pegasus but Bellerophon boosted Pegasus. There's a difference between the two. In pure power I'd say Bellerophon is more destructive but it's more costly and if Iskandar were to go Via I can see that matching it.

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How do Types typically fare against Divine Beasts or super strong Phantasmal Beasts?

That never happened so no idea. Types don't have a concept of death normally so I don't see anything that isn't capable of going around that doing much to it

[Arashi_Leonhart]

How do Types typically fare against Divine Beasts or super strong Phantasmal Beasts?

I dunno, what have Types demonstratively done?

This is a trick question, they either fight "offscreen" or freeload off of a gunslinger

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

I see. Wasn't entirely sure about that.

[fire_mountain_30]

That never happened so no idea. Types don't have a concept of death normally so I don't see anything that isn't capable of going around that doing much to it

you either zeltrech them right in the jaw or hit them with a big sharp stick. easy

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

Who would win, Gugulanna or Ivan's Mammoth?

[Iceblade44]

Gugulanna