Archer's copies are also inferior to the actual product. It's possible the original Rho Aias, wielded by Aias, would just laugh off the best Gae Bolg could do.Originally Posted by fire_mountain_30
Archer's copies are also inferior to the actual product. It's possible the original Rho Aias, wielded by Aias, would just laugh off the best Gae Bolg could do.
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Shirou doesn't say that, actually. That's from the materials, I believe.
Also, the ranged Gáe Bolg doesn't have the curse of causality.
That’s how you deal with a curse. Gae Bolg thrown is just a nuke
What decreases is the rank.
Point stands on the magical energy put into it and we cant prove that conceptual abilities degrade if rank decreases
The shield is for the heartstab. Have people not been reading the quote from the VN?
What on earth do you think rank is?
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Idk, what concepts does excalibur or caladbolg make use of and how do they decrease as a result of projection?
Rank = power. A rank beam sword > B rank beam sword.
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Great, power
Now lets talk concepts
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Tiger, Tiger and other absurd rank B and below NPs would like to say hello
not if he uses the shield to both block and slam the shield into Cu at the same time.
Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
Immortality NP at A rank > Immortality NP at B rank.
Anti-projectile shield at A rank > Anti-projectile shield at B rank.
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Something I've mentioned before but never seemed to make it into the conversation.
That said I still stand by my point that both sides have ways to kill, both sides have ways to get out of the enemy big kill attack. Very much a fight I see as determined by circumstance that can go either way.
I know we only saw him as Grand Archer but based from his profile, what do you think about Orion compared to other Greek heroes like Heracles or Achilles?
Of course, both sides have ways to victory.
But for Cu it's only Gae Bolg(at close range), which may be blocked by Akhilleus Kosmos or Dromeus Cometes(if Achilles step back). For Achilles - close fight without NPs(because stats and his divine speed attacks, mentioned by Chiron), chariot and Akhilleus Kosmos to the face of Cu Chulainn. And Cu Chulainn may deal only with first from this three ways via activation of Gae Bolg.
In my opinion, this is far from equal fight.
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Nasu has thought of this matchup already)
Orion can't compete with them in same containers.
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If we're going by Apocrypha (or was it strange fake?), HGW in Greece were scrambles for Heracles. If not him, then Achilles. As far as legends go, they trump Orion. Heracles is also referred to as the greatest Greek hero, but in this case, it might be "hero = occupation", instead of the more liberal usage of "hero = achievements". Orion is first and foremost a hunter so he might have a loophole in the first case.
Looking at profiles and abilities, he's doping on stat boosts. He's probably better than the other two in terms of strength, stamina and durability. His skill with a bow is the best among every hero and able to shoot down Artemis above the atmosphere with Orion Orkos.
Since he has the equivalent of B rank divinity, Achilles' chances are poor in CQC, and terrible at a range. The only way I can see him winning is the Kosmos+chariot combo or better yet, getting Orion into Duel Field. Which he might have a good shot at. Orion's entire kit seems to be thanks to Artemis' blessings so DF will hit him hard. Otherwise Orion wins way more often than not.
With Herc, it depends on how many lives Orion's NP can take. If it's near Caliburn/Excalibur, Orion's stronger.
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Orion hasn't any form of precognition skill, so he hasn't any way to stop Troias Tragoidia. In close fight he hasn't any way to stop attack with Akhilleus Kosmos.
In case of Dromeus Cometes and A+ Agility of Achilles, Orion can't finish this fight quickly.
So I don't think that Achilles'es chances are quite bad)
What is an attack of Orion, that may kill Heracles 12 times?
The problem with FITE ME IRL is that the enemy has to agree to it.
Precog was necessary for Chiron to stop the chariot, doesn't mean nobody can hit the horses without it. Even without any precog, clairvoyance or EoTM, Orion is still the best archer across every era of heroes thanks to being made into constellation by the goddess of archery herself. That's pretty nuts if you ask me.
In CQC, Achilles wouldn't have the chance to pop up his shield and true name the NP. Orion's not exactly slow.In close fight he hasn't any way to stop attack with Akhilleus Kosmos.
That's why I said it deoends. Orion Orkos is a second NP that isn't listed in his profile. He used it to to shoot Artemis in LB5 but we don't know the rank.What is an attack of Orion, that may kill Heracles 12 times?
Yeah, but Orion sounds like the kind of guy who might agree to it. At least that's what I got out of the summaries.
Name ''Best Archer'' means nothing, if he can't even see movements of chariot.
Dromeus Cometes may solve this problem. Only one step back and one forward)
Where Orion find bow of Hephaestus and arrow of Apollo for this NF?
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