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[SPOILER]Honestly the only one that feels like a complete joke nowadays is Heracles. God Hand has been a joke since F/SN, not having access to Nine Lives is a ridiculous nerf when compared to newer Berserkers and everyone nowadays has Madness Enhancement EX because the writers realized that Berserkers who are only capable of communicating in autistic screeching are not compelling characters.
This is mainly an issue because he's a pure ungabunga power Servant who hasn't had any upgrades since the source material was published.
Gil and Artoria are direct ungabunga overwhelming power comparisons.
Gil didn't need upgrades to begin with but still got major wank in CCC and and a bit more in FGO so he's still solidly among the strongest.
Artoria was massively nerfed in F/SN so she could appear as an underdog but she's a planetbusting alien killer with unlimited mana and probably the strongest NP ever (it'll be upgraded even more soon enough) and has always had the Avalon card ("I may have lost this powerlevel debate, but if my waifu just had Avalon she could beat literally anybody!") to pull.
Cu has remained relevant as a fantastic duelist with a NP that can't work in an actual story but shuts down many hypothetical matchups instantly. Plus he has the cockroach approach of always running away and being essentially immune to most ranged attacks. You can always support your pub arguments among your Ulster loyalist buddies by using antediluvian statements like "Cu is the third fastest Lancer!" which make zero sense nowadays but have never been explicitly retconned.
Medusa isn't very impressive physically but Cybele is still a super busted instawin against a huge chunk of the roster and while Bellerophon never gets to do anything, it only looks bad because it had to face the biggest author favorite sword ever.
Emiya has always been supposedly unimpressive but this has never been supported by any logic. He's still an endless bag of tricks, like a discount Gilgamesh including a lesser version of his crippling personality flaw (Gil literally never ever being "serious" vs Emiya really wanting to hit people with his dumb scimitars when he could be much more effective at range or when using other projected weapons).
Medea is "bag of tricks, Caster version". Rule Breaker is an author fiat weapon that can work however the fuck the writer likes and unlike the other supposed top tier mages she can actually cast spells without relying on gimmicks like 72 endlessly regenerating demon gods or literally endless mana. Shame on you robot Solomon and spellblade Merlin.
Hassan has never been amazing but he's not bad. His greatest strengths are still his professional mindset and tactical thinking. He could solo a Grail War if these stories were about seven Kiritsugus facing each other (thank god they're not). Also Apocrypha handily told us Hassans are really good.
Kojiro gets downplayed by F/SN "look at this idiot, he's nobody, pay him no attention, he just likes swinging at birds, what an idiot, also he can reach true magic because he likes to swing at birds" but in my opinion he's the single most skilled sword user we've seen. Even the hyper-wanked Musashi with her dumb Mystic Eye and superior nippon steel hypersword can barely stand against this dude who has no mystical assists and just likes swinging at birds.[SPOILER]