Badass Versus Thread

[Ronove]

Beast Kiara vs God Kiara (CCC)Kinda want to know what the difference is.

[8000]

Sieg turning into Fafnir seems like a bigger threat than Siegfried. Honestly though I think Emiya could just blitz him before he transforms. Also does Caster Sieg still have the three CS limit? If so I doubt he'd transform off the bat.

[Lily Emilio]

Beast Kiara vs God Kiara (CCC)Kinda want to know what the difference is.

CCC Kiara >>>>> Beast Kiara. You cannot beat her unless you are Hakuno or a being of the same or higher tier than her. She already obtained "almighty", and reached the seat of god as Tamamo described. Even servants with the mystic code of origin can't beat her under normal circumstances.

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Tho tbh if the 2 meets each other they will just engage in hot intense yuri sex.

[Rafflesiac]

Sieg turning into Fafnir seems like a bigger threat than Siegfried. Honestly though I think Emiya could just blitz him before he transforms. Also does Caster Sieg still have the three CS limit? If so I doubt he'd transform off the bat.

You'd think that but Emiya can just project Balmung at which point Sieg is fucked.

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Balmung/Broken Balmung arrows are an ace in the hole.

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That's why it comes down to Sieg's use of Siegfried, who's a strong enough close-range combatant to overwhelm Emiya before full-power dragonslaying swords come into play.

[8000]

Eh, I'm not sure if projected Balmung would drop Fafnir. It's a rank lower and Emiya doesn't have Dragon Slayer. Also Siegfried had a lot of trouble with Fafnir in Orleans which implies Balmung is less reliable when Fafnir is expecting it.

Balmung could do a good amount of damage to Siegfried, but if he recognizes it flying toward him I assume he'd block it like Hercules did Caladbolg.

[castor212]

Presumably-weaker version of Balmung in Apo event did in fact drop Fafnir

[Iceblade44]

That was unexpected tho, and Sieg still lived

[8000]

I don't think there's anything confirming shadow Siegfried's NP was weaker. Also regarding Emiya he'd have to survive Dragon breath.

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Also like I said, Dragon Slayer would've helped and Emiya doesn't have it.

[Canon]

Don't Balmung (and Gram) have built in anti dragon traits tho

[castor212]

I don't think there's anything confirming shadow Siegfried's NP was weaker. Also regarding Emiya he'd have to survive Dragon breath.

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Also like I said, Dragon Slayer would've helped and Emiya doesn't have it.

Balmung has anti dragon property to begin with

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Of course the guy using it with DS would result in stronger attack, but its still a dragonslaying sword in its own righrt. Being projected isnt a problem if you BP it, the breath wouldnt reach Emiya if he snipes from afar.

[Reign]

Wouldn't Emiya have to have seen Balmung before he can project it? Correct me if I'm wrong, but while he has Gram we haven't seen him use Balmung before. In which case he wouldn't be seeing it until Sieg had already transformed.

[Ordep]

Sieg took the NP from Karna and Siegfried.

Emiya's projection will not do as much damage as that.

[Arashi_Leonhart]

We dunno what he has and hasn't seen besides a handful of specific examples.

[Ronove]

CCC Kiara >>>>> Beast Kiara. You cannot beat her unless you are Hakuno or a being of the same or higher tier than her. She already obtained "almighty", and reached the seat of god as Tamamo described. Even servants with the mystic code of origin can't beat her under normal circumstances.

The seat of a god or "God"? And Beast Kiara's profile mentions she became a god (or heavenly demon) too. Are there any direct comparisons made between the two?

Like from the looks of it, Beast III pulls you into a universe inside her body where you're melted you while Heaven's hole grows to the size of the planet and uh yeah, everyone knows that story. At least CCC Kiara is externally more powerful.

And how do Origin servants compare to stuff in GO?

[Altaris]

A Boddhisattva, even Demonic one, is comfortably stronger than a Beast

[Lily Emilio]

The seat of a god or "God"? And Beast Kiara's profile mentions she became a god (or heavenly demon) too. Are there any direct comparisons made between the two?

How many god you've seen in the series who has "almighty" power, is omnipotent?

The line in Beast Kiara's profile is the same one in Extra mats regarding demon Kiara, it's talking about CCC Kiara. Basically the line says "in CCC she is a new deva, while in FGO she is a Beast". If Beast Kiara grows to full power, she would be at that level probably, who knows. But we killed her while she's still in baby form.

Like from the looks of it, Beast III pulls you into a universe inside her body where you're melted you while Heaven's hole grows to the size of the planet and uh yeah, everyone knows that story. At least CCC Kiara is externally more powerful.

Heaven's Hole does not grow to the size of the planet, it's like saying Beast Kiara grows to the size of the solar system in her NP. Those are just representation of her influences. CCC Kiara takes in the desires and pleasure of a planet, while FGO Kiara standing at the sun position in the solar system, to show that she is a solar-system level threat like BB claimed (also becuz a Bodhisattva is a solar-system level being).

And how do Origin servants compare to stuff in GO?

Divine spirit tier. Their limiter is unlocked so they can freely adjust their parameters to match BB's, who became a god and has all star rank in her parameters. The powerup is insane but you can only use once or it destroys your saint graph. They were able to match BB with such buff, but Kiara took in BB, Sakura, Lip, Melt + morphed into the almighty with Andersen's NP, so she is a step further than your everyday divine spirit. It was only due to LOVE that she lost.

[Rafflesiac]

Sieg took the NP from Karna and Siegfried.

Emiya's projection will not do as much damage as that.

VS clipped Sieg's wings instead of hitting him head on and Sieg was dead in the water the moment Balmung hit him.

[GundamFSN]

ok, seriously, that is what you are going to base your logic on? the thing that only killed powerless civilians and got overcome by a B++ NP fired from a nearly dead Servant, when Gouging Spear has the same B++ rank?

honestly, did Arash even have an active master contract at that point?

so, not the power to buff or summon servants

not the OP energy barrier

not the power to summon a city

your argument hangs on the existence of a beam with a piss poor track record

Should we just blame this on NA or something? I had high hopes because

Arashi

Aniplex

, but I guess it was unfounded. All this roundabout discussion stemming from an apparently unmentioned info fills me with Tristan.

Wouldn't Emiya have to have seen Balmung before he can project it? Correct me if I'm wrong, but while he has Gram we haven't seen him use Balmung before. In which case he wouldn't be seeing it until Sieg had already transformed.

The Inheritor of The Will of Justice must've at least seen it during one of his mindless janitor duty. Just like how he's seen Caladbolg, Hrunting, etc etc. Also GO if you would.

[castor212]

Saw inGO, time less throne, recorded bla bla

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Actually most of the roundabout felt like because he hasnt read Camelot, which understandable cuz not yet in NA

I mean, summary isnt really enough for the details, and calling rhongo SAT beam as "a thing that only kills civilian" felt like he is indeed missing the details

[Arashi_Leonhart]

Although also to be fair, things like "active Master contract" doesn't actually make any sense since most Servants don't have one.