I could've sword it wasn't because I had like no trouble with him that fight, but I think that's just gameplay. We know nightless doesn't work if there's something actively obstructing the sun like a sandstorm. It was clear they needed help to handle Gawain so considering the context I would think it's mostly likely his sun buff wasn't active. Maybe Simba's boost amped him somewhat outside the sun but not to the same degree.Originally Posted by Arashi_Leonhart
fairly certain that before boobtoria rocket punched him into the outer wall they said that inside the castle the gift doesnt work.
but i might be misremembering
maybe its too early but what do you think, Siegfried vs Sigurd
Gram can probably get past AoF and deal a big blow, but whether it be enough? Because Sigurd can’t probably do as much anti dragon damage Siegfried can since he doesn’t have dragon slayer.
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"Only in my company, will you not be a monster"
anywhere than here
I would think Sigurd, Armor of Fafnir wouldn't be useful, Gram being anti-fortress would be better in an NP clash than Balmung (at range at least), and he was runes for an extra edge.
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It's Dragon Slaying so it would go right through Siegfried.
no but while it can’t block B+ it will still function with B.
also given how Sigurd uses Gram gives me doubt that he can beam clash. It’s to single target for it
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not right through. Anti dragon doesn’t cancel AoF, it limits it.
"Only in my company, will you not be a monster"
anywhere than here
I think AoF only takes a B rank regular attack out of dragon slaying NPs which would be utterly irrelevant, but it doesn't matter. Gram is A+ which is over twice the B rank reduction AoF provides. If it were a beam or a blunt attack it might not knock Siegfried out, but it's a blade so it's going to penetrate.
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Also Sigurd's STR stat is enough to get through AoF even without being a dragon slayer, and I assume Crystalized Wisdom would still be helpful.
Sigurd also origin of Siegfried, Gram > Balmung
Localizationing stuff
What exactly stops Siegfried from allowing one hit from Gram to hit while going for the kill?
Whats Sigurd's strength, A?
A+ along with his END
Now that is a problem
Siegfried can withstand 78 A rank attack from Karna, who his spearmanship is on the level of god-like and only one rank slower than Achilles. He survived another thousand strike from Karna in one night. I think he is capable enough to take every blow from Sigurd without any problem, plus Sigurd's rune is B so he cant use his magic trick. I think Siegfried is more advantage on normal clash battle but inferior when both clashing their np
Sigurd has a higher strength rank than Karna and Armor of Fafnir won't work properly against a dragon slayer. AoF won't really do anything even in just melee, at most it'll defend against punches and kicks but do nothing against blades (not even Gram, the knives Sigurd tosses around should do).
I don't see why Sigurd wouldn't be able to use magic with B rank runes.
I mean, those attacks were all E damage that got healed quickly
A+ is way stronger than that, which is an issue if the idea is to just tank it
AoF still work even if the opponent has anti-dragon, for normal attack atleast, if np then its shut down the bonus B+ to B. B rank attack magic wont work agaisnt himIts not like Siegfried will just stand there and get hit, he still a great swordman with swordmanship beyond mankind. While he maybe knock down by few attack, Sigurt is finish if Siegfried manage to land a blow to him (anti traits from Balmung + his Dragon Slayer).
Gram predates Balmung. If Gil vs Saber/Shirou's sequence from FSN still holds any weight then (1) Gram should be as strong as Excalibur (2) should have compatibility advantage over Balmung.
Wouldn't it be reduced to either E+ or D, though?
Not that that's a particularly smart strategy; even an E-Rank attack that hits the Servant's Spirit Core would probably be dangerous.
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I thought Gram competed against Caliburn?
Also, it's not just a matter of being older, it's that Gram was specifically the ancestor of Caliburn as a "sword of selection". I'd say Balmung might be fine when it comes to clases of mystery with Gram, especially since Sigurd and Siegfried are two entirely different characters in the Nasuverse.
Assuming I get Damage maths (dont do this at home)
A is 50 damage attack, A+ is 100 damage attack
A-B = 10 damage received, A+ - B = 60 damage received
E+ would only be 20, what you'll get with 2 A rank attacks versus AoF
Is A+ Strength a conditional boost or permanent boost?
Conditional/momentary iirc
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I suppose if Sigurd has a passive skill for it it'll be permanent, or maybe its like Prana Burst
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