Badass Versus Thread

[Iceblade44]

That's just a district in Fuyuki right?

half of Fuyuki, which is the modernized part with skyscrapers and should of had more urbanized buildings given in Zero's there isn't a large park in the city. Anyway the point I was getting across wasn't that Gordius Wheel can can do more damage more quickly then Meseket, I knew from the get go that Tokyo is bigger than Shinto that of course it take longer destroying it. It's just knowing that the level of destruction that Meseket and Gordius Wheel is both massive and to me they seem equal. That could be to much of an assumption on my part but that's just what i feel. Meseket is certainly a powerful NP with the amount of bombardment it can do, But Iskandar's Gordius Wheel is also a very powerful or that's what I feel anyway.

[Iceblade44]

Siegfried vs Musashi

can she do it?

[8000]

Don't think she can hurt him. She'd have to do what Karna did which is tricky. Her NP might work I guess...not really clear what that actually does.

Also is it me or does Musashi have really strange stats? She has BBB, which is high for someone who's not even a Servant, and she would've had those stats even at the start of Shimosa, a time when even Mochizuki and Tomoe should've beaten her handily, the former of whom is an Assassin and the latter having CCD stats.

Granted I don't know if anything happened later in Shimosa to clarify any of this.

[Arashi_Leonhart]

which is high for someone who's not even a Servant

where exactly do you think Servants get their stats from?

and she would've had those stats even at the start of Shimosa, a time when even Mochizuki and Tomoe should've beaten her handily, the former of whom is an Assassin and the latter having CCD stats.

Shimosa is her coming-of-age story

[8000]

where exactly do you think Servants get their stats from?

It varies. Some of them would've had equal or greater power in life, some of them would've gotten their stats from fame boost and class containers. We can't say for the most part without having seen them when they were living. I didn't think Musashi was meant to have Servant level stats given the way Tomoe casually blocked her attack.

Shimosa is her coming-of-age story

She had those stats even before Shimosa was released though. I doubt she'd lose to to Tomoe or Mochizuki by the end of it (at least in melee), but at the start of the chapter Tomoe no-sold her and she identified all of the Heroic Spirit Swordsman as out of her league.

[Qinglong]

You do remember Tomoe is part Oni and Musashi was still growing right

[eddyak]

Don't think she can hurt him.

Ehh. She might be able to do what Karna (& possibly scathach, given her lines about skill killing gods?) do and make up for stats that won't quite make it with higher skill.

Actually, come to think of it, that might even be what Kojiro did against Herc, in FSN. They did mention he and Medea stalled Herc at the temple stairs till Illya got bored and left, maybe he was actually able to fight and hurt Herc, getting past God Hand with skill rather than power.

[Arashi_Leonhart]

She had those stats even before Shimosa was released though. I doubt she'd lose to to Tomoe or Mochizuki by the end of it (at least in melee), but at the start of the chapter Tomoe no-sold her and she identified all of the Heroic Spirit Swordsman as out of her league.

Part of the whole thing is that she always had the capacity, She just needed to grow up.

[8000]

Part of the whole thing is that she always had the capacity, She just needed to grow up.

That would make sense then.

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Actually, come to think of it, that might even be what Kojiro did against Herc, in FSN. They did mention he and Medea stalled Herc at the temple stairs till Illya got bored and left, maybe he was actually able to fight and hurt Herc, getting past God Hand with skill rather than power.

I don't think so. It was never mentioned that he actually damaged Hercules. Also God Hand seems a bit different from Armor of Fafnir. It just unequivocally negates attacks B rank or below. I don't even think it's durability, so it wouldn't be possible to bypass it with skill.

Granted Nasu hasn't described it exactly that way before, but it makes sense when you consider B+ attacks aren't even mitigated by God Hand while Armor of Fafnir which is based in raw durability would reduce those to E or D rank attacks.

Anyway that's a bit off topic. Regarding the fight I don't think Musashi could handle getting beamu'd.

[Iceblade44]

The thing with Karna creating A rank attacks that pierced Siegfried it relied on three factors, 1 having a weapon of rare and great quality, which Vasavi Shakti is certainly a weapon of that type of quality even when its not in it's true form. While the quality of the weapon is definitely an important factor that alone would never pierce Siegfried's skin, you would need to back it up with and I quote "transcendent technique" and "immense physical strength". So while Kojiro has the technique, he has neither the strength or weapon to do so. Which I guess can also be applied with Musashi also thinking about it.

[Altaris]

Kojiro's made in china sword can even bend lul, it got nothing on Armor of Fafnir

Then again Atalanta can do A rank attack with D rank strength just by "yo im pulling my bow back real hard"

[Zurvan]

Isn't that because of the bow being special, as opposed to the servant?

[Iceblade44]

Isn't that because of the bow being special, as opposed to the servant?

Yeah, her doing that isn't because of her own strength then it's just her using the nature of her bow by pulling it back to it's limits, she can do a similar attack with Karna where her strongest shot with the bow can get past K&K. Her bow isn't ordinary even if it's not a Noble Phantasm, I mean I forget but didn't Artemis give her the bow?

Also it always bothered me until recently that even if it's because of her bow that she could do such piercing attacks against these OP defenses despite her strength until it hit me that it's actually lore accurate, after all it makes sense that her arrows have such great penetration when one of her most famous feats was drawing first blood against the Calydonian Boar.

[Canon]

Yes it's from Artemis and I'm pretty sure it's considered an NP

[Megas]

Musashi vs. Iskandar + Cu - Deermud * Medusa Underwater

[Iceblade44]

UH I don't get it, but Musashi's gonna lose I think.

[castor212]

it had rubiesrubieeeees

[Megas]

UH I don't get it.

[Rafflesiac]

Well if Iskandar's underwater, everyone's getting fried.

[Megas]

Well if Iskandar's underwater, everyone's getting fried.

Which poses the question: can Iskandar be fried by his own lightning?