Badass Versus Thread

[Iceblade44]

I don't think she really cares about romance and i don’t think theres any indication that her zealotry affects her perception on it really, and if taking a look at Serenity modus operandi seduction is probably a legitimate tatic used by the order. Though it should be noted that it's not that hard to hate Emiya, just look at Gil.

Anyway if were talking about battles then Emiya since BA single mindedness of her devotion leaves her open to manipulation which is one of Emiya's specialities.

[Nobody]

beautiful assassin, shes basically every hasan i abba expect for the one from fate zero. and in this equation lets assume her zealot status means she decided that emiya attempting to seduce(even thou he didn't even try) must be punished by death.

Beautiful is the last thing I'd used to describe Zealot.

[castor212]

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I would seriously like to see the posts. Because honestly, a full-powered Arturia, capable of using Excalibur and Avalon could imo be a real deal for Zerk Herc. For Archer Herc probably the odds return around 9/10 for him lol.

IMO Arturia is understimated in general. And not only because I have her in my pro-pic.

He is replying to the Achilles vs Herc, not Artoria vs Herc

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Cu vs Li

I assume most of the time itll be just GB against Li rank E luck, but maybe he can do something before Cu starts GB?

[Rafflesiac]

Can Cu do anything about Li's invisibility?

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Well, I suppose he could carpet bomb with Striking Death Flight.

[venomking]

hmm, i soppose if he a lancer, since i think they get some sort of presence detection or something like that which would prob null invisibly.

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assasin kiritsgu vs gorgan.

[Arashi_Leonhart]

assasin kiritsgu vs gorgan.

I don't know what an assasin is, who this kiritsgu is, but I'm guessing that against the population of a 200,000+ Iranian city, you're going to lose.

[castor212]

i actually didnt had in mind whether its Assassin or Lancer Li, sumanai

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hmm, i soppose if he a lancer, since i think they get some sort of presence detection or something like that which would prob null invisibly.

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[Canon]

Cu vs Li

I assume most of the time itll be just GB against Li rank E luck, but maybe he can do something before Cu starts GB?

Didn't Rin say even Cu would have trouble with Li if they didn't find a way to deal with his invisibility first

[Arashi_Leonhart]

?????

Haven't you been paying attention? They're making stuff up as they go.

[Lily Emilio]

?????

Probably

[castor212]

I dont get it

Anw, what if we take invisibility out of the question

So, Lancer Li vs Lancer Cu, myb

[You]

I would seriously like to see the posts. Because honestly, a full-powered Arturia, capable of using Excalibur and Avalon could imo be a real deal for Zerk Herc. For Archer Herc probably the odds return around 9/10 for him lol.

IMO Arturia is understimated in general. And not only because I have her in my pro-pic.

The thing that was established was that we aren't going to use BEAMUs and just go straight melee.
Because yes, of course if you have a big ass Beamu that's strong enough you can take out Herc since you can take out multiple lives. That isn't the issue here. The issue is people think it's natural for OC Servant A to out-melee Herc 12 times.

[Canon]

I dont get it

Anw, what if we take invisibility out of the question

So, Lancer Li vs Lancer Cu, myb

http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Dust_of_Appearance

As for Li and Cu, presumably they kill each other and GG each other for the good fight

[castor212]

An attack from the invis mode is something "barely evadable" if one has sufficient skill/experience/something right (or at least thats how i remember it goes in Extra)

Does that having highrank mind eye or instinct or stuffs like that counts

[Zurvan]

It probably helps to a degree, but even then if he's still invisible hitting him is a problem. And I might be wrong but I think that even barely getting hit put your servant in a bad place.

[Hyperversum]

Doesn't seem that way to me. He was saying that the samurai is better in sword skills but he can't kill Herc. And Kojiro better than Herc in sword skills is fact.

The point is: what is the source of the fact? The fact that he killed a bird flying? Seriously, that's the best thing a swordsman can do?
And I wasn't talking about the post I quoted, but in general.
In all human history, there wasn't a better swordsman? Ok, Tsubame Gaeshi is an absurd attack that sublimated into a conceptual NP and is something incredible.

Assassin is a HS formed by a nameless individual that was ultimately able to perform Tsubame Gaeshi (even if not on the level of Magic lol) and the legend of Sasaki. That nameless man wasn't basically a martial artist that spent all his life doing only that practice?

So we don't think that real warriors who fought real enemies, and not a swallow, can't surpass him in ability?
Not Lancelot? Not Hercules? No one at all? Not even Musashi, boobs or not? It makes me a little cringe, tbh.


Also, yeah, I was talking about swordsmanship, not magical sword spamming, I shouldn't have quoted Excalibur but only Avalon. I mean, he can keep his multiple life so it makes sense to me to let Saber have her "HP regen" item, not the possibility of using it as an active NP.

But that Herc is one of the worst thing you can fight in melee in all the series is obvious.

[castor212]

The point is: what is the source of the fact? The fact that he killed a bird flying? Seriously, that's the best thing a swordsman can do?

its much more complicated than just killing a bird flying

[Hyperversum]

its much more complicated than just killing a bird flying

Now I had some things, exactly for this reason.
I'm just saying that among all the heroes who did incredile deeds, even without giving a fuck about half-gods, there is no one better?

This is what I meant by "Sasaki-wanking".

[castor212]

well so far i dont see any other swordsman or fighter who did an incredible deed of being so good with sword that he tread the realm of Second Magic with only his own human effort so

[Hyperversum]

well so far i dont see any other swordsman or fighter who is so good and sword he replicate the Second Magic so

But that's a single form of attack. Ok, it represents his huge skill, but, hell, he did only that in all his life. Do we want to go around checking what those various others heroes did? Honestly, it is a misconception of what swordsmanship is.