Least favourite servant?

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Thankfully, they didn't make Drake a Saberface, despite having arguably good reason to do so; they Saberface'd Nero instead for no reason.

[Wandering Swordwoman]

for no reason?

They have reason. It's to attract players

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ofc, being the postergirl, being an actual Saber and all that

[Deathhappens]

At this point I will assume that this is just one instance of a Nipponwank in a Nippon franchise.

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Also, to make it on topic with the thread, I must mention that, tho there are worse servants, I don't like how they portray Francis Drake, mainly because of the genderbent. The genderbend, as always, is ridiculous and the "explanation" for why she was remembered as man is even more so (it seems in TMverse the Brits can't differentiate woman from man). Although the personality does seems very fitting, her design is just too terrible to look past. If they want a booby elder sister Servant to babysit Shinji there are many better choices.

With the alien they have as queen, can you blame them?

Boudica?

OMG, that would be pretty good. Just make her a Berserker so she can't say why she hates Nero so much and have Shinji boast about how good he is at controlling Servants. Would also make his rant about his Servant being weaksauce siightly more credible. Moving Shinji to a later round could work too, but he can't be too far in, he's a necessary stepping stone for Hakuno building his resolve.

[Historia]

Although the personality does seems very fitting, her design is just too terrible to look past. If they want a booby elder sister Servant to babysit Shinji there are many better choices.

Yeah, like Raikou.

TM Drake's personality is very fitting, actually. Her design, too.

[Ratman]

(it seems in TMverse the Brits can't differentiate woman from man)

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[PioneerOfTheStarsEX]

TM Drake's personality is very fitting, actually. Her design, too.

Yes, I do like TM Drake's personality actually, she is a good character in her own, but again, the genderbend just ruins everything. They might as well name her Grace O'Malley and it won't really be much of a difference.

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I don't play FGO and haven't read London yet, what happens there?

[Walnut Sparks]

There is also the Japanese rumors about Cu=Odin in the same vein with the above

To be fair, interpretatio has done pretty damned stupid things in the past. But I do hope this doesn't turn out to be canon.

[Dullahan]

as t--->infinity, everything is everything and everything else is everything else in order to maximise the amount of REFERENCES for our """"""players"""""" to enjoy

[Ratman]

I don't play FGO and haven't read London yet, what happens there?

It's a classic shitpost making fun of an average British woman's poorly executed dental plan.

(meaning it's no wonder they could not tell Queen Victoria apart from Francis Drake, because,)

[PioneerOfTheStarsEX]

It's a classic shitpost making fun of an average British woman's poorly executed dental plan.

(meaning it's no wonder they could not tell Queen Victoria apart from Francis Drake, because,)

Ah, okay. Sorry to make you explain the joke lol.

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

Didn't you know? Shiva is Tamamo's daddy (cuz he is mixed with Isanaten aka Izanagi). Just revealed few days ago.

Why? Also, this makes Tamamo more confusing now since she's also been equated to Surya, who is by no way related to Shiva.

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And Isana is one of Shiva's 5 name so...yeah...

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I'm not gonna pretend that I'm okay with it either. But I accepted that it's Japan's fault first then Nasu's fault later.

Perhaps, but I'm actually okay with the real life shit Japan did regarding syncretism. I just don't like how Nasu has decided to handle it in his works.

they could make the whole syncretism stuff much more interesting yet they took one of the worst path possible, so disappointing...

Exactly. *Sigh*

[Lily Emilio]

Why? Also, this makes Tamamo more confusing now since she's also been equated to Surya, who is by no way related to Shiva.

There are several sun-related gods in Hinduism tho. Base on some theories I've seen, she can be related to ushas or Aryaman or Savitr due to certain similarities. Or since Tamamo's NP mentions the name Suiten (Varuna), she might be Mitra in the Mitra-Varuna pairing.

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Thankfully, they didn't make Drake a Saberface, despite having arguably good reason to do so; they Saberface'd Nero instead for no reason.

I think back then they were afraid that a FSN spin off won't sell and need a "look it's Artoria but not really" kind of mystery to incite the fans to check it out to see why is Artoria wearing a dress with butt window.

[Iceblade44]

My take on the whole sycretism thing. While I don't like it much I don't think one should take it completely literal. Like Izanagi is linked with Shiva, okay. Does this mean all of Izanagi's feats was just Shiva coming up and just using a different name? No. Izanagi and Shiva are different, to different to say they are the same. Sycretism doesn't mean that they are literally the same individual under different or at least it doesn't in this context. It means they are linked, that they have the same origin. Like Skadi and Scathach, Siegfried and Sigurd. They are all individual to the other but are linked, they all came from the same place. This goes back to a idea introduced in Extella, that the gods we know aren't the originals. They had predecessors, those they are all models based on something that came before. So I don't Izangi is literally Shiva and he's faking or vice versa. It's a trade of relationship as they become closer and mixing. If anything from Skadi and Scathach they can probably use the others powers for some neat tricks but it isn't there powers. They are borrowing. Or at least that's my take

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

My take on the whole sycretism thing. While I don't like it much I don't think one should take it completely literal. Like Izanagi is linked with Shiva, okay. Does this mean all of Izanagi's feats was just Shiva coming up and just using a different name? No. Izanagi and Shiva are different, to different to say they are the same. Sycretism doesn't mean that they are literally the same individual under different or at least it doesn't in this context. It means they are linked, that they have the same origin. Like Skadi and Scathach, Siegfried and Sigurd. They are all individual to the other but are linked, they all came from the same place. This goes back to a idea introduced in Extella, that the gods we know aren't the originals. They had predecessors, those they are all models based on something that came before. So I don't Izangi is literally Shiva and he's faking or vice versa. It's a trade of relationship as they become closer and mixing. If anything from Skadi and Scathach they can probably use the others powers for some neat tricks but it isn't there powers. They are borrowing. Or at least that's my take

I would LOVE for this to be the case, but I still feel Nasu is prioritizing the Shinto aspect of the syncretism and giving Shinto gods more powers than I feel they should have, no matter what the mythology and complex Japanese syncretism say.

[Iceblade44]

I would LOVE for this to be the case, but I still feel Nasu is prioritizing the Shinto aspect of the syncretism and giving Shinto gods more powers than I feel they should have, no matter what the mythology and complex Japanese syncretism say.

God's are Gods. They spit on the face of what powers they are supposed to have. That's what gods are

[Lily Emilio]

The text said Isanaten IS Izanagi.

[Arashi_Leonhart]

How dare Nasu write that mythological figures derive from other, older mythological figures, which is what he's always done, since that's true in the real world too.

[Iceblade44]

The text said Isanaten IS Izanagi.

Isanaten is, not Shiva. You said Shiva was being mixed/confused/merged with Isanaten. Now I have no idea who Ishanaten so thats just what I thought. If there is more to it then my mistake.

[Lily Emilio]

Isanaten is, not Shiva. You said Shiva was being mixed/confused/merged with Isanaten. Now I have no idea who Ishanaten so thats just what I thought. If there is more to it then my mistake.

Isana IS one of Shiva's names. He has 5 divine names noted in the book praising how amazing he is, O great Isana.