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    Kinoko Nasu and the Art of Character Subtlety


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    I'm going to give this a chance and watch it instead of just flippantly dismissing it

    0:02 "Once upon the time there was a man named Nasu [PICTURE OF SHIOKAWA]"

    ok that's it for me

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    some early timestamp: fate is now a bad word
    aaaand done

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    ouch.......sorry


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    0:05 Wait I have to be at work in three minutes why am I watching Internet videos *runs out of door with toast in my mouth*

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    So you've gone from a soap drama to full anime huh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zurvan View Post
    So you've gone from a soap drama to full anime huh
    No I just thought it was kind of an interesting topic for someone (myself) who spends a lot of time looking at the MAL reviews, listening to people ramble on about character development without actually knowing what it is their trying to pick apart.

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    Sorry, I should've specified, you're new here so you couldn't have know

    but that was a reply to mcjon

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    Watched it, that was actually pretty decent.

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    It's named art of character subtlety, but then I saw the runtime and instantly realize five minutes are not nearly enough to properly describe Nasu's fall from being subtle to being hamfisted

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    :58 tsukihime

    ok im done

    nah i actually finished it

    maybe i should play tsukihime after all...
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    Hey, that was pretty good, if bloody short.

    It's not the property of Tsukihime exclusively, but it's something he got much worse at as time went on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ratman View Post
    It's named art of character subtlety, but then I saw the runtime and instantly realize five minutes are not nearly enough to properly describe Nasu's fall from being subtle to being hamfisted
    what is hamfisted?

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    Is this Dullahan's video ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knight of Rebellion13 View Post
    what is hamfisted?

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    Is this Dullahan's video ?

    I know you don't like them, but at least give them SOME credit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcjon01 View Post
    0:05 Wait I have to be at work in three minutes why am I watching Internet videos *runs out of door with toast in my mouth*
    Moecjon

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    Ok, having watched the video it's a long rant on how Nasu's characters aren't complete pastiche archetypes but actually have some nuance and more than one facet behind them. Good, but character subtlety this ain't (unless you're judging by the standards of anime tsundere #1314141, which this guy is apparently doing). *shrug*
    B for effort I guess.
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    Ok so I don't really have a lot to say about the contents of the video itself, but like, something about the use of "character sublety" as a term rubs me the wrong way. First and foremost because it's no writing concept I ever heard of (referred to as such, anyway). In fact, googling it literally gives you this video as a top result.

    And then it goes on to talk about how "Nasu has a remarkable ability to characterize complex characters through their actions in a way that breaks from typical archetype or convention, and in doing so, make characters that feel distinct, or completely their own." and all the later examples boil down to literally "show vs tell".
    So, really, all it's saying is that Nasu managed to not be a bad writer and write cookie-cutter template archetype characters, and had enough competence as a writer even in his early days to understand the importance of showing vs telling, which I think you'll find that most commercially successful writers do as well.

    I guess what I'm saying is that I don't really think that this is a landmark of Nasu's writing skill, when what you call "character sublety" boils down to two of the most basic fiction writing concepts.
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    Maybe that was true in the past but now the two basic hallmarks of commercially successful writers are “tensei shitara nani nani ken” and “oretueee!”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcjon01 View Post
    Maybe that was true in the past but now the two basic hallmarks of commercially successful writers are “tensei shitara nani nani ken” and “oretueee!”
    Sad!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcjon01 View Post
    Maybe that was true in the past but now the two basic hallmarks of commercially successful writers are “tensei shitara nani nani ken” and “oretueee!”
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    Slime was fun but the best Isekai I've read ao far was Rudy And the Quest for Roxy's Holy Pantsu (aka Mushoku Tensei).

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    Well, maybe Konosuba, but frankly that reads a bit too much like a parody to consider an isekai.
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