Least favourite servant?

[pinetree]

I mean if you're talking about the manga I think they're not really made to be good since Prillya is as much of a joke as Koha-Ace.

I don't think you've been reading the manga.

...I want to dislike Kuro though, no matter where she appears.

You should, she's terrible.

[asterism42]

Nightingale almost killing Chloe in her interlude was a mere fraction of what she deserves.

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Also, I'd argue that making Shuten look like a person who exists and then stripping her naked is almost as creepy as making her a drunk child.

[forumghost]

Also, I'd argue that making Shuten look like a person who exists and then stripping her naked is almost as creepy as making her a drunk child.

Yeah, imagine how that poor Model Arc was based on feels, Takeuchi's been creating new Waifuised versions of her for decades.

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

For that second part, now that you put it that way...Yeah, it's creepy. However, the others were taking issue because the insults to Shuten Doji's design could have been taken as insults to the real person.

[Deathhappens]

4' 9"

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And yes I do too, I'm engaged to a sub-5' person, but with 100% regularity do they get mistaken for fourteen

How regularly are you stopped by the police though?

As for Shuten Douji, I think I've expressed my dislike of her underwear before, but her kimono (when she does wear it) is pretty good. And anyway, she doesn't look human enough to be jailbait, to me.

[Arashi_Leonhart]

I'm a minority living in LA, regularly

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

How regularly are you stopped by the police though?

As for Shuten Douji, I think I've expressed my dislike of her underwear before, but her kimono (when she does wear it) is pretty good. And anyway, she doesn't look human enough to be jailbait, to me.

Oh yeah, forgot about that. It's kind of like the whole Gilgamesh argument in regards to his skin color. And I kind of agree. She doesn't look quite human.

[Skull]

While I don't hate Shuten Douji, I was majorly disappointed that as an oni she didn't look more badass - basically Asterios is what I was kinda expecting. But no, they turned her into a loli, the least threatening of monsters. :/

Oh well, always a chance we could see better oni designs either in Fate or another TM work.

[forumghost]

While I don't hate Shuten Douji, I was majorly disappointed that as an oni she didn't look more badass - basically Asterios is what I was kinda expecting. But no, they turned her into a loli, the least threatening of monsters. :/

I mean Asterios is a fluffy Good Boy that isn't threatening at all though, whereas Ilya is straight-up terrifying, so I don't see your point

[Lily Emilio]

Also, I am personally more disgusted that the Shinto gods take precedence over the Hindu gods in their syncretism in this series. I may not be that observant a Hindu, but I do feel our myths and gods deserve more direct representation and not to be slighted by TM's creator provincialism.

Didn't you know? Shiva is Tamamo's daddy (cuz he is mixed with Isanaten aka Izanagi). Just revealed few days ago.

[asterism42]

Didn't you know? Shiva is Tamamo's daddy (cuz he is mixed with Isanaten aka Izanagi). Just revealed few days ago.

Still my least favourite thing about TM

[PioneerOfTheStarsEX]

Didn't you know? Shiva is Tamamo's daddy (cuz he is mixed with Isanaten aka Izanagi). Just revealed few days ago.

What the hell...

How does that work exactly???

[Lily Emilio]

What the hell...

How does that work exactly???

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The Shiva = Izanagi part in Musashi's NP btw

"Also, back in the days (and even now), due to similar traits, Daijizaitenjin (Shiva) is mixed up with the king of the place called Paranimmitavasavatti, Isanaten. He is identified with Japan's ancestor god Izanagi, and if you read more it is related to Shanaou (Minamoto no Yoshitsune). Since at that time Yoshitsune is still thought to be the source for bujin and samurai, Isana is meant to connect both the origin of Japan and samurai at the same time."

The Yoshitsune part is pretty cool actually. Still skeptical about Shiva tho.

And Isana is one of Shiva's 5 name so...yeah...

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Still my least favourite thing about TM

I'm not gonna pretend that I'm okay with it either. But I accepted that it's Japan's fault first then Nasu's fault later.

[PioneerOfTheStarsEX]

they could make the whole syncretism stuff much more interesting yet they took one of the worst path possible, so disappointing...

[asterism42]

And yet Sigurd and Siegfried are different people

[PioneerOfTheStarsEX]

At this point I will assume that this is just one instance of a Nipponwank in a Nippon franchise.

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Also, to make it on topic with the thread, I must mention that, tho there are worse servants, I don't like how they portray Francis Drake, mainly because of the genderbent. The genderbend, as always, is ridiculous and the "explanation" for why she was remembered as man is even more so (it seems in TMverse the Brits can't differentiate woman from man). Although the personality does seems very fitting, her design is just too terrible to look past. If they want a booby elder sister Servant to babysit Shinji there are many better choices.

[Spartacus]

About syncretism, I don't really care about Shinto or Hindu deities

BUT-

The whole Gae Bolg>Gungnir always give me a distaste

then, the whole Skadi=Scathach thing happens

There is also the Japanese rumors about Cu=Odin in the same vein with the above

My distaste pent up into dislike and my dislike pent up into... you get the idea

[Wandering Swordwoman]

At this point I will assume that this is just one instance of a Nipponwank in a Nippon franchise.

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Also, to make it on topic with the thread, I must mention that, tho there are worse servants, I don't like how they portray Francis Drake, mainly because of the genderbent. The genderbend, as always, is ridiculous and the "explanation" for why she was remembered as man is even more so (it seems in TMverse the Brits can't differentiate woman from man). Although the personality does seems very fitting, her design is just too terrible to look past. If they want a booby elder sister Servant to babysit Shinji there are many better choices.

Boudica?

[PioneerOfTheStarsEX]

Boudica?

Sounds about right, tho probably it would be weird for Nero players.

[Wandering Swordwoman]

It'll be great right? Just don't put him in first match

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And yet Sigurd and Siegfried are different people

ofc, siegfried is dissapointing enough, at least they make Sigurd cool