Servant Redesign Thread

[Deathhappens]

Jack would be perfectly fine in a some hentai or a random edgy battle manga.

I'm not a fan of her battle thong either, but that's going too far. All she needs is a couple more creepy lines to balance out the cuteness and a pair of shortpants.

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That's a fact from FSN.

Pretty sure robots were not mentioned in FSN. And while this is just my view, I rather think that back then he was thinking more along the lines of "Medusa isn't really human, per se" than "Steam-powered robot, mecha, and clockwork ninjas'.

[Arashi_Leonhart]

"No. Haven't you been taught that any humans, animals, or machines that leave any great achievements behind get removed from the ring of reincarnation and sublimate into beings of higher rank?
Heroes are that sort of beings.
To put it simply, they have been worshipped and made into artificial gods."


Unless you think he's saying Heroic Spirit Chuchu Train is a thing

[ItsaRandomUsername]

Yfw Armstrong Servant is actually Apollo 11 Servant

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We're now lore compliant, gentlemen and ladies and everyone in between

[Deathhappens]

Nitpick, but artificial gods/higher order if being doesn't neccesarily mean Heroic Spirits. Heroes go to the Throne of Heroes. Divinities go somewhere else we don't know about, right?

-updoot-

I mean, it's pretty much "worship equals power", not really a specific concept that applies to heroes only.

[ItsaRandomUsername]

You're right
That is a nitpick

And over semantics too, oy vey

[Deathhappens]

I refuse to believe Nasu was far enough gone to be visualising abominations like Babbage back when he was writing SN and I will defend that belief with every nitpick, semantic detail and obscure word meaning I can muster.

[Bloble]

But he was mentioning things like guns becoming Heroic Spirits way back in FSN.

[Deathhappens]

wut

[Historia]

I don't really mind most of the genderbends. There a few that I wouldn't mind seeing changed back, but most of them I either don't care about either way, or have become attached to enough that I will defend their existence as such.

• Give Jack clothes. I actually saw some really good art someone did of a clothed Jack that I thought was pretty good.
• Make Liz more serious (not her personality necessarily, but as a character). I really like the idea of her wanting to distance herself from her future self, but the extreme that it's been take to makes her too much of a joke character. obviously event variations are fine, since they are joke characters, but i don't feel like that was the intentional with the original version.
• Make Caesar less fat.
• Change Boudica. I don't know how, but her design is just boring. It's like whoever designed her thought that revealing clothing meant automatic success.
• Make Blackbeard less annoying and more badass

• she has clothes
• she's 14 and wants to be an icon
• What do you have against fat people
• Woad is the answer.
• Blackbeard is tight and likes tight things. I see no problem there.

Give both of Arturia's lancer variations less chest.

And of course, my favorite totally serious suggestion: we all know the only way to fix Shuten-Douji is by making her a buff dude, but leaving him with the current Shuten's outfit.

[ItsaRandomUsername]

I refuse to believe Nasu was far enough gone to be visualising abominations like Babbage back when he was writing SN and I will defend that belief with every nitpick, semantic detail and obscure word meaning I can muster.

Nah, it's not that, I'm just being counter-nitpicky towards your reaction to the line about artificial gods because Rin obviously wasn't saying that they're all human-patronized gods (though some of them are tehehe), just that fame sublimates them to a level beyond that of normal humans as they yet remain attached to that system of humanity which archives them

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But he was mentioning things like guns becoming Heroic Spirits way back in FSN.

This is true

[Rafflesiac]

gfl collab incoming

[Historia]

Q: If there are Heroic Spirits like Archer, who was summoned independent of time axis, is it possible for warriors from the future, who are loaded with modern weapons, to be summoned as Servants?


A: Although modern weapons are powerful, it is difficult for the users of modern weapons to be classified as Heroic Spirits. The advantage of modern weapons is "anyone can use them as long as they were trained", thus it is difficult for the user to become a Heroic Spirit, whose definition is "the one and only". The users of modern weapons are faceless heroes. If there are indeed heroes who are loaded with modern weapons, the users will not become Heroic Spirits, as they are merely "experts anyone can achieve through sufficient training". The actual Heroic Spirits being worshiped will be the "greatest weapon of that era". However, for the weapon to become a Heroic Spirit in this case, it must harbour a soul.

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[LJ3]

Girls Frontline is the future

[Arashi_Leonhart]

I refuse to believe Nasu was far enough gone to be visualising abominations like Babbage back when he was writing SN and I will defend that belief with every nitpick, semantic detail and obscure word meaning I can muster.

great now do it in Japanese and maybe someone might actually believe you

[You]

Babbage is just a dude with a RM
So Nasu was definitely visualizing people like him when he wrote SN.

[Snow]

One thing I'll never understand is people not liking how Babbage and Edison look and then trying to justify it with canon or lore or somefuck. Does it not make the greatest amount of sense that out of the bunch it'd be scientists, artists and innovators that take the most liberty and look the least conventional? They literally reimagine themselves because they can. It's fine to not like the designs but 'it's not canon'? Please...

[Canon]

Canon is like just a point of view man

[You]

I don't like bad thing therefore will attempt to invalidate its existence in fictional world because logic of fictional world must cater to my version of perfect instead of admitting creators of fictional world sometimes make bad things because they think bad thing is good thing

[Dullahan]

One thing I'll never understand is people not liking how Babbage and Edison look and then trying to justify it with canon or lore or somefuck. Does it not make the greatest amount of sense that out of the bunch it'd be scientists, artists and innovators that take the most liberty and look the least conventional? They literally reimagine themselves because they can. It's fine to not like the designs but 'it's not canon'? Please...

The correct answer is to not like the canon

[Snow]

type moon, in a rare moment of lucidity: 'maybe...famous history person...not just Sword and Fighty Fighty'

type moon fans: 'i don't get it'