I don't remember too clearly but wasn't her thing that she wasn't mind controlledIsn't the issue with Medea Lily's portrayal due to the double whammy of being mind-controlled by both Aphrodite and Goetia?
Like she was Medea pre-everything who was voluntarily tagging along with Jason because she knew due to Servant perspective that her future self's feelings about him were #complicated
Last edited by Kotonoha; August 19th, 2018 at 06:18 PM.
But all love is mind control by the goddess of love.
Yeah, she wasn't mind controlled in Okeanos, IIRC.Originally Posted by Kotonoha
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Wasn’t she just compelled to serve Goetia because she was beaten by him
Yeah. She didn't to do it but was bullied and thought of her actions against Jason as more from pity
I think she's still under Aphrodites curse. Tho what to say is a curse when all love is under he dominon yo begin with
"Only in my company, will you not be a monster"
anywhere than here
Love is just a neurochemical con job
Grownup Medea is cooler anyway.
Gilles Lily
Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
Only because people are dumb.
Zero we have Kerry, a MC with two cases of fridging in his backstory.
We have Iri, Maiya and Sola, who are slavishly devoted to men.
We have Aoi, who has the agency of a wet blanket and the independence of a woman fron the 1800's.
And we have Saber, whose entire character arc was about her accepting how she was dumb and wrong and should accept what the big strong man like Alex tell her.
Such feminism, much wow.
I can take and leave anything else, but you need to recheck Zero on Sola, who starts off stuck in a crummy arranged marriage because her inheritance was already given to her older brother and instantly takes her first degree of possible action.
Her first degree of possible action being to become slavishly obsessed and devoted to a man (Diarmuid)
Now that’s just bad faith.
How so?
She’s taking charge of her life and eschewing the shackles of expectations that magi culture has forced upon her since birth and does something for solely for herself.
Sola is our true feminist queen, Saber who?!!?!
Sounds like a girl in need of protecting who knows how to please a man.
wait....some people says Zero is feminist ,im with Tobias here, not sure if lol or faceplam. Kerry alone have more fridge on his story that the all the characters in other series together, no female servant except the mandatory Saber , and no, i dont think something like hassan counts as female servant, same with masters
Dont get me start with Aoi and Sola, the only remotely decent female is Iri, and at the end, she joins kerrys fridge. Saber wearing a suit doesnt mean anything, considering how the story basically is how she is wrong and big hairy dude Alex thells her like it is
I apreciate Zero and its contribution to the franchise, but come on, if someone says unironically that Zero is feminist and Stay Night is sexist, i can see why some Zero fans became a meme
Zero isn't feminist, but it isn't really sexist either. Also, Iri perhaps has the most agency of all the women in Zero despite being a literal tool needed to complete the ritual. She went from a mindless tool to a mother and wife who chose on her own to make her sacrifice for a better world she had yet to understand, and she was determined to go through 'till the end despite her and Kerry's doubts. Ultimately, she lived a proud life, far prouder than was envisioned for her.
She has a Saber fetish and a mancave full of figurines. Doesn't get much cooler.
I may or may not be saying that unironically
Last edited by Deathhappens; August 20th, 2018 at 05:54 AM.
shit BL says
Once and always and nevermore.
So sorry you didn't understand Medea.
OG Medea is great, Lily is just Medea-ocre
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