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    Quote Originally Posted by Rafflesiac View Post
    Realta Nua is considered the state of events by TM for all future intents and purposes.

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    All the UBW anime had to do was have them kiss and fade to black but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOO
    IKR?!!!!! Even a ruffled curtain would have done the job.

    Also, ugh...I blame Nasu for this. Rin is absolutely blameless!

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    So uh in RN, how hard will it be to get Rin back to her family's original level of knowledge and such? Because while I can deeply respect her, showing such depths of her love for Shirou (that or just how desperate she became), I'm just cringing now at just how much she sacrificed there.

    And possibly unnecessarily.
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    Realta Nua is considered the state of events by TM for all future intents and purposes.

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    All the UBW anime had to do was have them kiss and fade to black but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOO
    Ahh but Japanese people, even after being in 2-year relationship where they've gotten to know each other intimately, are too cold to even do that, in the privacy of their own apartment. Or so I've heard people claim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warellis View Post
    So uh in RN, how hard will it be to get Rin back to her family's original level of knowledge and such? Because while I can deeply respect her, showing such depths of her love for Shirou (that or just how desperate she became), I'm just cringing now at just how much she sacrificed there.

    And possibly unnecessarily.

    Ahh but Japanese people, even after being in 2-year relationship where they've gotten to know each other intimately, are too cold to even do that, in the privacy of their own apartment. Or so I've heard people claim.
    Well it's like 200 years of tohsaka shit + shit zelretch taught them + the shit they got from the eldefelts
    so yeah quite a while
    and the stuff zelretch taught them about magecraft is probably priceless
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    Quote Originally Posted by warellis View Post
    So uh in RN, how hard will it be to get Rin back to her family's original level of knowledge and such? Because while I can deeply respect her, showing such depths of her love for Shirou (that or just how desperate she became), I'm just cringing now at just how much she sacrificed there.

    And possibly unnecessarily.

    Ahh but Japanese people, even after being in 2-year relationship where they've gotten to know each other intimately, are too cold to even do that, in the privacy of their own apartment. Or so I've heard people claim.
    Desperate times call for desperate measures, so...Also, Crest Splitting was a thing, unless it wouldn't cut it to help Shirou use UBW.

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    Well it's like 200 years of tohsaka shit + shit zelretch taught them + the shit they got from the eldefelts
    so yeah quite a while
    and the stuff zelretch taught them about magecraft is probably priceless
    Maybe Zelrecht would be impressed enough with her guts to teach it again? Really grasping at straws here.

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    Maybe gaining the 2nd Magic would be enough to make up for it?

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    I don't think she's even close to that level, especially not in UBW? Again, maybe Zelrecht will consider her act of incredible self-sacrifice as something super worthy of his pride and help teach her magic again?

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    Well if it's any consolation her boy toy can use a RM now
    but not much consolation because boy toy is going around to world for humanitarian work
    Quote Originally Posted by FSF 5, Chapter 14: Gold and Lions I
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    "And most importantly, it's me who'll be doing the cooking."
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    So uh what was the reason again why she pretty much messed with her Crest like that? Couldn't she have just split the Crest a bit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by You View Post
    Well if it's any consolation her boy toy can use a RM now
    but not much consolation because boy toy is going around to world for humanitarian work
    Admittedly, she herself is tagging along to help him, and that itself probably gives her some solace. Nonetheless, the regret probably set in late, if at all. Also, her kids would be freed of the obligations of inheritance that come with the Crest, and nobody would get on her for it aside from having recklessly sacrificed her Crest.

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    So uh what was the reason again why she pretty much messed with her Crest like that? Couldn't she have just split the Crest a bit?
    What I've been asking for over an hour. The Doylistic answer probably is that Nasu hadn't thought of Crest Splitting then.

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    It's scary crazy how Rin holds nothing back when the situation comes to expending her valuable resources, like when she used up her family heirloom trump card immediately and used up a command seal immediately on the same day at that. And despite her mentally preparations for using up her supply she remains totally nonchalant about using all the jewels she saved up for years paid for in blood and finances because she recognizes when the time's necessary to spare no expense.

    If it we're me and this were pokemon, I'd be the type to risk walking through grass and avoid trainers while I'm down to my last pokemon who's health bar is down to red and poisoned to go to the nearest pokecenter because I'm not even willing use even a single potion if I can help it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobin View Post
    It's scary crazy how Rin holds nothing back when the situation comes to expending her valuable resources, like when she used up her family heirloom trump card immediately and used up a command seal immediately on the same day at that. And despite her mentally preparations for using up her supply she remains totally nonchalant about using all the jewels she saved up for years paid for in blood and finances because she recognizes when the time's necessary to spare no expense.

    If it we're me and this were pokemon, I'd be the type to risk walking through grass and avoid trainers while I'm down to my last pokemon who's health bar is down to red and poisoned to go to the nearest pokecenter because I'm not even willing use even a single potion if I can help it.
    Same, though personally, I would have already spent at least half my fortune on Full Restores because I'd spent months before obsessively collecting money from all sorts of places. Honestly, in Pt I easily got to the max, and in BW, I had at least 4 million Pokedollars.

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    Wait. Did Rin even know about crest splitting? If she didn't and found out about it from Waver and Reines, oh boy...

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    Occam's razor says that if she coulda, she woulda. Whether it's because she didn't know it was possible (unlikely if it's something old families have to go through) or it wouldn't have been sufficient is immaterial.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathhappens View Post
    Occam's razor says that if she coulda, she woulda. Whether it's because she didn't know it was possible (unlikely if it's something old families have to go through) or it wouldn't have been sufficient is immaterial.
    I wish that logic actually applied to Nasuverse decisions, but no, we can never be sure. Also, Crest Splitting is mostly practiced by factions that create lots of branch families like the El-Melloi faction, so it could be obscure enough that a relatively recent magus lineage like the Tohsakas weren't aware of it nor saw reason to look into it.

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    I think the issue is more that as a 200-year old lineage family, their Crrst might not be big enough to split safely (as in easily fixable for the Crest).

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    Quote Originally Posted by warellis View Post
    I think the issue is more that as a 200-year old lineage family, their Crrst might not be big enough to split safely (as in easily fixable for the Crest).
    Their crest is also unusually large for a 200 year old family's since they have the crest of the Edelfelts, who were around 400-500 years old at the time of the theft.

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    Maybe so, but it is true the Edelfelt crest is at least twice as old as the Tohsakas, and the El-Melloi Faction has split its crest so many times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warellis View Post
    So uh in RN, how hard will it be to get Rin back to her family's original level of knowledge and such? Because while I can deeply respect her, showing such depths of her love for Shirou (that or just how desperate she became), I'm just cringing now at just how much she sacrificed there.

    And possibly unnecessarily.

    Ahh but Japanese people, even after being in 2-year relationship where they've gotten to know each other intimately, are too cold to even do that, in the privacy of their own apartment. Or so I've heard people claim.
    tbf Rin was the only member of her family that ever had any actual talent in the first place so basically just steal Luvia's crest and dump whatever spells she can remember in there and it'll probably be better than it was before

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcjon01 View Post
    tbf Rin was the only member of her family that ever had any actual talent in the first place so basically just steal Luvia's crest and dump whatever spells she can remember in there and it'll probably be better than it was before
    Wouldn't she need a new magical object to even store the mystery in the first place? That would necessitate finding either the body part of some PB (very hard) or using an old mystic code (again, not easy), and since Luvia already has a sister, it's not like Luvia can spare another full Crest for her via Ores Scales.

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    Well, that's why he said steal Luvia's crest and not politely ask to borrow Luvia's crest

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