Fate/trapped in an MMO soon (tm)
shit BL says
Once and always and nevermore.
Your already to late on that front, looking at Extra
"Only in my company, will you not be a monster"
anywhere than here
I mean, it's realistic. She did get "betrayed" but kinda not really, it's just Kiritsugu didn't bother to say "yeah, this thing is a monkey's paw, it's not worth fighting for" and he himself didn't understand fully the consequences of blowing up the gate while it was opening.
It worked better as a tragedy, which is the entire point of this entire conflict to begin with, it's not really a grand battle royale, it's a bunch of people who are ignorant of a lot of things and destroy themselves because of it.
Originally Posted by FSF 5, Chapter 14: Gold and Lions I
Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
He "left" his wife in Germany because the Irisviel that goes to Fuyuki is the Holy Grail and not his wife anymore. It's metaphorical and shit.
yes its basically a retcon
Originally Posted by FSF 5, Chapter 14: Gold and Lions I
Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
I am impressed sometimes by the creative gymnastics they do to make these retcons still nominally work.
He never sleeps. He never dies.
Battle doesn't need a purpose; the battle is its own purpose. You don't ask why a plague spreads or a field burns. Don't ask why I fight.
There's also when Kirei tells Shirou and Rin he lost early in the War, but then we find out he lied, he was actually Gilgamesh's master and lasted all the way to the finals - except no, Zero turns his lie into a not-quite-the-truth.
Originally Posted by FSF 5, Chapter 14: Gold and Lions I
Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
"Smart", I imagine?
It's not a bad development on Urobuchi's part. I'm curious, though, if Nasu always intended that, or if his intent from the beginning had been that Kirei had lied.
Looking back on it, why did Saber lie so much to Shirou? He even notes it in HA when talking to Illya, in the narration, that Saber said a bunch of things that were very different from what happened actually.