What lies?
What lies?
He never sleeps. He never dies.
Battle doesn't need a purpose; the battle is its own purpose. You don't ask why a plague spreads or a field burns. Don't ask why I fight.
Shirou notes in the narration that Saber said stuff that didn't match up with what Illya tells him.Originally Posted by mAc Chaos
Stuff like about Iri for example.
Did Saber lie, or was she just wrong?
Wasn't it Saber that told Shirou that Kiritsugu went alone or something?
Well the anime ironically covered some of that with that Black Iri haunting Ilya as a child.
Does that then mean that since she is the lesser Grail, she got auto contaminated with AM?
I don't think so. The Einzbern Lesser Grails seem to have a filter to stop contamination or something. It's why Zouken planned to use his hackjob bootleg grail instead.
What was his plan with having his bootleg lesser grail contaminated again? Is it he thought he could control AM through Sakura?
I can't remember exactly. I think it was something like:
1) Birth AM.
2) Use Sakura's Status as it's Master to control it.
3) Jump into Angra's Immortal Body.
4) ???
5) Profit.
Considering it was a lump of pure curses, could Zouken have even controlled it, being uh enfleshed himself?
I thought he used some of the funky Grail bits collected after the Fourth War in order to give Sakura that insane level of anti-Servant juju. When Archer goes down, the text mentions that the Shadow is perfectly suited to chewing through Servants, so much so that it mortally wounds Archer with a blow to the torso that Servants would normally be able to walk off.
Spoiler:
She's the lesser Grail, she has authority. She also has powers that are naturally tuned toward the supernatural.
It's not AM that's particularly the main factor, it's the fact that it got her powers and that she got Grail authority.
@forumghost - I don't know if Einzberns are filtered against it. The main reason Sakura is even tainted is precisely because Iri's vessel got contaminated ad the shards put in her body, making a link to the main curse. What you're thinking is that Zouken didn't give her the same safeguards that Iri and Ilya are supposed to have, he just made her for the express purpose of breaking down to fit his purpose, says it himself before the Rider summoning where he was trying to troll Sakura to fight.
Looking back at this, Rin never seems to be in any contact with her maternal relatives. I guess it's because they're normals right?
Probably too awkward, what with Aoi ending up brain-dead and her hubby biting it
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Also the mysterious disappearance of their granddaughter.
IIRC the Zenjou were not still in contact with the Magic World despite having used to have been magi, right?
And by "mysterious disappearance" you mean Sakura? Aoi wouldn't have told about her being adopted out?
Its super easy to explain away retcons and slight inconsistencies in characterization across different works and authors with "eh, multiverse".
But yeah...in general Zero 99% is supposed to represent the battle of 10 years ago regarding the 5th war, and that's why it as a prequel work is set up to branch off to many different outcomes including the 3 routes of FSN.
What's more annoying is why this isnt seen as obvious. Even in Japan there is constant discussion as to the meaning behind the slight inconsistencies between works, and i dont really get why. Its super obvious.
But i guess unlike Starwars where you could just blame George Lucas(or disney now i guess), its a bit more complicated
At that point in his plan he'd have unlimited magical energy.
Although I don't know what he was going to do with the taint that would taint him as he draws in that magical energy.
Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
It could be characterization issues that don't match up with Stay Night I imagine? For example, it's difficult for me to picture Tokiomi being this prankster who had a decade long prank test for Rin, like with her clocks:
What would the taint have done to Zouken?
I mean does he just melt to death or something due to it?
Actually, I could easily picture Zero Tokiomi being a lowkey prankster. He did summon Gil-kun the Pranker. Also, I thought the Zenjou were still in contact with the magic world too, considering they were considered prime superwaifu candidates. Maybe they had links to the native Japanese org as well as to the Association-affiliated mages? Finally, if Rin's grandparents were still alive after FSN, that would be an awkward thing to explain.
"Hey Shirou, did I ever tell you I still have living grandparents I haven't seen in several years?"
No the Zenjou don't seem to have connections anymore:
As for any living relatives, now that I think on it, Rin probably was too young to really visit them, if she had any, considering she was only 7 at the time when made an orphan. Granted that was then, and at this point she's going to be in her 3rd year of high school/going to the Clock Tower so who knows.
Well the big giant AM was enfleshing itself with the third magic so no problem there
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