I mean the summoning circle was in the shed so duh of course it happened thereOriginally Posted by Inuhanyou
I mean the summoning circle was in the shed so duh of course it happened there
For Shirou, sacrificing the ideal and living it are complete opposites, because living his hero-of-justice ideal will only bring him misery, but he can achieve happiness by sacrificing it. The point isn't that HF Shirou is completely free from pain and sacrifice, the point is that he can (unlike hero-of-justice Shirou) find happiness by making others happy.
I dunno, I don't think that is the case because he doesn't suffer misery after Fate or UBW, where he follows through on the ideal, and just because he finds meaning in making Sakura happy, that doesn't mean he finds happiness. He just is stable and not spiralling downward.
Sweet, brown, thick, and served over rice
It can still be decently spicy
If you want it that way, but it almost never will be as the default setting
It was still good!
even if I had to mime a little to get him to understand
Of course he does. One of the big points of the Shirou-Archer fight is that his ideal is certainly going to make him miserable (he derives his happiness from others' happiness, but a hero of justice only sees the ugliness of humanity), but he'll follow through and live by it anyway because it's beautiful.
Except, of course, that (a) Shirou derives his happiness from the happiness of others and (b) Shirou succeeds in making Sakura happy, so it follows that Shirou will be happy. In case you still don't believe me, Illya explicity says "Everyone's going to be as happy as they can get" about the ending of HF. You can say that being a hero of justice is beautiful, but you can't say it's a happier ending for Shirou than HF.
Except does it really follow that by making Sakura happy, Shirou is happy? A persistent fact about Shirou is even when he makes others happy, he cannot bring himself to feel joy because he feels he doesn't deserve it, so even if he's making Sakura happy, there's no guarantee Shirou is happy either, and his determination to make her happy is way more unhealthy than his determination to follow through with his ideals despite the consequences in UBW or to cherish the memory of Saber so as to fill his ideal as in Fate.
There's a good reason the first time Shirou is shown smiling on-screen is during the Rule Breaker scene: it's the first time he saves someone and makes them happy like he's always wanted to do. The author shows him happy and explicitly says he's happy, and I've explained why he would be happy. Why can't you accept that he's happy? (and of course he never gets over his I-don't-deserve-it schtick in Fate or UBW)
How so? Making Sakura happy is an obtainable goal that he actually obtains, and he ends up with a happy, relatively normal life as a result. His hero-of-justice ideal, on the other hand, will make him miserable and drive him to an early grave even in the "healthier" timelines where it doesn't turn him into Archer. "See, this is his end. See, this is your end."
Shirou substituting the heroic ideal with protecting Sakura has never really been implied to make Shirou any happier than he would be otherwise. There's nothing about the ideal itself that causes Shirou to lose any more sleep over it than having given it up. I am still not really seeing where this point of differentiation comes in.
im saying that he's even cornered in the same exact way by lancer, same positioning and same greeting of Arturia in the exact same circumstance. It doesnt seem like any variables changed at least up until he summoned her there and fought off lancer
Last edited by Inuhanyou; February 5th, 2019 at 01:16 AM.
It's explicitly stated in the final bonus Tiger Dojo that HF is as happy as it gets for Shirou.
I'm pretty sure I've said this more than once, but the thing about the hero-of-justice ideal is that it's perfectly incompatible with Shirou's personality: he wants to see the people around him be happy, but a hero of justice only sees ugliness and suffering. So, when he's devoted to his hero-of-justice ideal, he will be doing pretty much the exact opposite of what will make him happy. When he's devoting himself to helping make Sakura happy, though, his personality and his "ideal" align perfectly: he helps save Sakura, Sakura becomes happy, and that makes him happy.
In Fate, he sort of finds it in the figure of Saber, and in UBW, it's his determination to prove Archer wrong and Rin's companionship that would do it.
I personally prefer OG Saber's be Altria rather than Artoria/Arturia. I just don't understand why people keep on whining and complaining about something they have no control over. Type Moon made the character and thus they have final say in what her name is. Nothing the fans say or do is going to change that so stop whining already and move on!
Also I can't stand people who praise fate/zero but talk down on stay night.
It doesn't help that previous works have pronounced her name audibly as "Artoria", and Artoria is a feminine derivative of Artorius.
I think though that with the FGO english version being named Altria despite what the translators wanted and with the upcoming release of Extella Link they are being serious about her name officially being Altria. Also supported by the FGO Playstation VR game coming up has Altria in the official trailers. People just don't want to accept the truth for some stupid reason. Stupid thing to fight over honestly.
Altria is stupid and it doesn't sound like a person name. You are the one that giving up too easily
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Wait till the Official English release in March. Then you can say if it is right or not.
Maybe I don't care what her name is? Maybe I respect the wishes of the characters creater? MAYBE I AM SICK AND TIRED OF PEOPLE BITCHING AND MOANING ABOUT IT EVERYWHERE I SEE ALTRIA POP UP!? GROW UP PEOPLE! Nothing you say or do is going to change their minds and the sooner you realize it the sooner everyone can get this behind us! This isn't worth fighting over so why can't anybody simply respect Type Moon's decision on the matter?
The character’s creator has explicitly expressed the wish that her name be a feminized rendering of the Roman name Artorius, so if you really cared about them you’d have the gumption to stand up and gently let them know they’re spelling it wrong, and that a lack of English ability is nothing to be ashamed of since the Japanese school system is letting its students down with regards to foreign language education.
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The Japanese explanation of authorial intent is iron-clad, everything else is just Engrish and bureaucracy tbh
Citing a Japanese company’s opinion about English is the flimsiest possible argument
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