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    Quote Originally Posted by Rafflesiac View Post
    waaaaaaaaaait

    was the biggoron sword/giant's knife/that one sword that breaks in zelda games a motherfucking beowulf reference
    I wouldn’t put it past it. Much of the fantasy genre in games and books originated from stories like Beowulf which Tolkien brought up to the public spotlight

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    who cares about beowulf

    why can't i have all 3 valkyries at once
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    Still can't field all 3 tho.
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    Quote Originally Posted by You View Post
    Oh. I've only seen the first ten minutes or so of that movie.

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    Are you telling me that Hrunting actually worked as it supposed to against Grendal’s Mother at piercing through her skin or that Naegling didn’t break apart when Beowulf swung it at the dragon?
    Hrunting wasn't HIS sword, and Naegling's breaking is symbolic - he presumably used it without issue in his decades fighting as a king, much like he wielded swords without issue before Grendel (and even when he says he'll fight Grendel unarmed, it's not because the sword would fail him, he frames it as a proper, honourable challenge between warriors). The poem's original audience wouldn't have conceived of Beowulf as anything close to a berserker, but now I have a max. level, max. Fou'ed supposed badass who crumples like wet tissue if someone so much as farts in his general direction, and looks terrible to boot, because freaking Nasu, Sanda, Higashide or whoever wanted a stupid Tyler Durden reference.

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    maybe don't play the game then
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    Eh, I still have enough husbandos.

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    Read out as 「Ushi ni ase shi, munagi ni mitsu.」
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpoonyViking View Post
    Oh. I've only seen the first ten minutes or so of that movie.
    is this even allowed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpoonyViking View Post
    Oh. I've only seen the first ten minutes or so of that movie.



    Hrunting wasn't HIS sword, and Naegling's breaking is symbolic - he presumably used it without issue in his decades fighting as a king, much like he wielded swords without issue before Grendel (and even when he says he'll fight Grendel unarmed, it's not because the sword would fail him, he frames it as a proper, honourable challenge between warriors). The poem's original audience wouldn't have conceived of Beowulf as anything close to a berserker, but now I have a max. level, max. Fou'ed supposed badass who crumples like wet tissue if someone so much as farts in his general direction, and looks terrible to boot, because freaking Nasu, Sanda, Higashide or whoever wanted a stupid Tyler Durden reference.
    Just think, if Brangelina had split a little earlier the chain of references that got us to Durdenwulf might never have happened

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmadillo View Post
    is this even allowed?
    Do you really need anything other than the plane scene if you're just looking for quotes to post on Facebook anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmadillo View Post
    is this even allowed?
    If it is, it shouldn't be. Spoony, do yourself a favor and finish. that. movie. Even if you know the twist. Especially if you know the twist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcjon01 View Post
    Just think, if Brangelina had split a little earlier the chain of references that got us to Durdenwulf might never have happened

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    Do you really need anything other than the plane scene if you're just looking for quotes to post on Facebook anyway
    The scene with the mirror.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpoonyViking View Post
    Oh. I've only seen the first ten minutes or so of that movie.



    Hrunting wasn't HIS sword, and Naegling's breaking is symbolic - he presumably used it without issue in his decades fighting as a king, much like he wielded swords without issue before Grendel (and even when he says he'll fight Grendel unarmed, it's not because the sword would fail him, he frames it as a proper, honourable challenge between warriors). The poem's original audience wouldn't have conceived of Beowulf as anything close to a berserker, but now I have a max. level, max. Fou'ed supposed badass who crumples like wet tissue if someone so much as farts in his general direction, and looks terrible to boot, because freaking Nasu, Sanda, Higashide or whoever wanted a stupid Tyler Durden reference.
    You not getting my point are you, what I'm trying to say isn't that Beowulf doesn't use swords, he does and still do in GO. The point is this, tell me the legendary swords of Beowulf, the weapons that are synonymous to him as Excalibur is to King Arthur. Why I ask this is simple, because this is what would become his NPs. Now tell me the most famous things his legendary swords have done, thats easy they failed when he needed them. It doesn't matter if Hrunting is the ancestral heirloom of Unferth that had been loaned to Beowulf to deal with Grendel's Mother, what it is know for is being the sword that failed in piercing the skin of his enemy. It doesn't matter that Naegling is the sword representing Beowulf's kingship which he wielded for the 50 years of his reign, what is known for being is the sword that broke when he tried to use it against the dragon. What this is all about isn't whether Beowulf used swords or not, it's whether the swords he could use can be taken to be representative of him as his main central Noble Phantasm.

    This is what it is about, NPs. Beowulf isn't like King Arthur where you can take his sword as being representative to him as a Servant, that is because the two legendary swords Beowulf wielded aren't a big center of his myth that you can honestly call his greatest trump card, which is what NPs are. Again it's not like he isn't wielding swords in Fate, he is, two at one time. That's not what I'm trying to talk about. It is about what feat and legendary item that he did or possessed that just screams Beowulf, you won't find a better answer then his dual with Grendel. Both in the poem and out. That is an event you can take as an NP and say that it embodies the Heroic Spirt Beowulf. What his profile says isn't that Beowulf is a poor swordsman or that he doesn't use swords, it's talking about the comparison of NPs, which is more stronger. Is it his magic swords which is most famous for not working when he needed it, or is it the event that solidified Beowulf as a hero unparalleled by fighting and defeating a god-cursed monster that has been terrorizing a whole kingdom for 12 years, killing all that faced it until Beowulf defeated it single-handedly not even using a weapon. That is what's important here.

    As for the rest, A) that has more to do with you likes and aesthetics so I'm not gonna touch on that and B) gameplay and story segregation. Even if Beowulf isn't great in gameplay doesn't mean he is the same in lore, he is. Really he does need some strengthening quests. Maybe adding some stuff to his instinct by making it Hrunting, that's how I think it most logically would go anyhow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathhappens View Post
    If it is, it shouldn't be. Spoony, do yourself a favor and finish. that. movie. Even if you know the twist. Especially if you know the twist.
    Oh, fine, fine. It's going on the list, though - no jumping the line!

    Quote Originally Posted by Iceblade44 View Post
    You not getting my point are you, [...]
    I do. My point is that that's a very narrow perception of Beowulf's legend.

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    Considering NPs are supposed to be crystallizations of a Heroic Spirit's legend, I'd say a narrow take is inevitable. Besides, weapons that broke aren't typically main NPs. I mean, Saber didn't have access to Caliburn, and it broke. I will admit however that the situations are vastly different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpoonyViking View Post
    I do. My point is that that's a very narrow perception of Beowulf's legend.
    I agree, but isn't that like, the point of classes?
    They're just an aspect of the legend because we can't summon the full Heroic Spirit. I think that if a differently classed Beowulf ever appeared, they would change that approach completely.

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    Beowulf probably COULD be a Saber, and then Hrunting and Naegling would be NPs, and maybe the Giant Sword would be a one-time Kill Sat or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinetree View Post
    I agree, but isn't that like, the point of classes?
    They're just an aspect of the legend because we can't summon the full Heroic Spirit. I think that if a differently classed Beowulf ever appeared, they would change that approach completely.
    Basically yeah. When their designing a Servant they aren't gonna be trying to get everything down or at least for the bigger ones. There gonna be narrowing down on some certain points for inspiration for NPs and Skills. You see this a lot in Servants, like for Cu where is his Body Spasms? For Karna where is his bow? For Heracles where is his iconic Lion pelt? Etc. For a Hero whose poem is just a bit under 100 pages Beowulf has a lot of stuff that won't all fit in just one class no matter which way you take it. If you make him more of a proper warrior as he was when he faced the Dragon you will miss out on his Iconic duel with Grendel, and vice versa if you go more of the other way your gonna miss out on his more kingly aspect which is more represented as a proper warrior. So you have to be narrow, no way about.

    I mean they can go the route of making a Beowulf Lily based around his swimming adventure where his NP is the armor he wears which was made by Wayland the Smith. That is a legitimate aspect of Beowulf's legend that they could focus around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirGauoftheSquareTable View Post
    Beowulf probably COULD be a Saber, and then Hrunting and Naegling would be NPs, and maybe the Giant Sword would be a one-time Kill Sat or something.
    if they ever make his King Aspect I can see him being Saber. And he still has Hrunting and Naegling as NPs for Berserker, its just that there not central for him as a signature NP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpoonyViking View Post
    Oh. I've only seen the first ten minutes or so of that movie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pinetree View Post
    I agree, but isn't that like, the point of classes?
    They're just an aspect of the legend because we can't summon the full Heroic Spirit.
    Perhaps, but that's not what I meant. I'm not saying "Oh, they focused only on a single aspect of the character", I'm saying "This aspect of the character on which they supposedly focused? It's closer to a misinterpretation".
    Let me put it another way: it's as if someone read that Medea killed her children, then portrayed her as some sort of serial killer of children.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcjon01 View Post
    Just think, if Brangelina had split a little earlier the chain of references that got us to Durdenwulf might never have happened
    I know, right?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpoonyViking View Post
    Perhaps, but that's not what I meant. I'm not saying "Oh, they focused only on a single aspect of the character", I'm saying "This aspect of the character on which they supposedly focused? It's closer to a misinterpretation".
    Let me put it another way: it's as if someone read that Medea killed her children, then portrayed her as some sort of serial killer of children.

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    I know, right?!
    Is it really a misrepresentation though? Immense strength was just as much a part of his legend as any weapons were, and the Berserker aspect chose to focus on that. There is a reason he was called Beowulf, after all.

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