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    Quote Originally Posted by SirGauoftheSquareTable View Post
    Besides, he quite loudly and clearly tells Shirou prior to confronting the Black Team that he doesn't necessarily care for the Grail or his salvation, only to cross blades with Siegfried because he was a challenge and also because he wanted to show his respect for the fellow warrior's skill.
    But he's fighting Siegfried because he's using him as a proxy to figure out how he felt about Arjuna though.

    And he always accepted everything solemnly no matter the result.

    —No, perhaps not quite everything.

    Lancer of Red recalled the one thing he had continued to obsess over.

    There was person, one hero in this world that had continued to stir up Karna’s heart.

    His name was Arjuna. ‘Kiritin: The Shining Diadem’, ‘Vijaya: The Victor’, ‘Dhananjaya: The Prosperous One’—he was a man who had various names and was loved by all.

    If Karna was a man who had everything taken from him in exchange for his spear and armor, Arjuna was a man who had received everything with no compensation in return.

    Was the emotion Karna held within him envy? Or was it something else entirely?

    Karna had never known the answer to that right until the very end. After all, as someone who had never envied anything or anyone, he had been unable to concretely put a name to the feelings that stirred his heart.

    …Soon after this Great Holy Grail War began, he had received another chance to find out.

    Saber of Black—Lancer could tell that that man held traces of Arjuna somewhere in him. When he heard of his true name from Shirou Kotomine afterwards, Lancer had understood the reason for that.

    The tragic hero from a royal bloodline who had obtained wealth, prestige and everything else—Siegfried.

    But unlike Arjuna, his end was terribly tragic.

    An untimely death due to a sneak attack. Without even the time to swing his dragon-slaying sword, the invincible Siegfried had his only weak point attacked and lost his life.

    Karna thought of all the various Heroic Spirits participating in the Great Holy Grail War as unique and rare beings.

    He thought of his allies as comrades to work with and his enemies as rare warriors of valor. In that sense, Karna ‘comprehended’ the other Heroic Spirits more deeply than anyone else.

    But the only one he held a personal interest in was Saber of Black. Though they had exchanged few words, Lancer had glimpsed into the man after exchanging hundreds and thousands of blows with their respective weapons.

    A man who was very similar to Arjuna, but at the same time hungered for something.

    A man who held no regrets over his untimely end, but instead sought something new.

    And—a just hero, so evident that anyone could tell. He had wished to fight Lancer of Red once more and saw him as an enemy that must be defeated. That was the greatest honor and joy for a warrior like Lancer.

    That battle, and that promise. Had there ever been anything else that made him boil so much with excitement before? He felt gratitude for the actions and warm conversations of humans. But that was far removed from ‘selfishness’. He had never possessed a desire and joy that made him seethe.

    But he found it on the battlefield. Now that he thought back, Karna had only encountered joy on the battlefield. His entire existence was focused on the tip of his spear. It was the only instant where he was released from the thoughts of the people he allied with and could freely run forth as his ‘bared self’.

    The sparks of clashing weapons were twinkling stars to Karna. A worthy enemy who could easily push back his bared self and told him to give it his all. Thought it was arrogant of him, it was enough to make him think that his entire life had been for the sake of tasting the joy of that moment. That’s why, when Saber of Black disappeared, when the prospects of another fight vanished in the empty sky, Lancer had felt unspeakable regret.

    Saber of Black had disappeared.

    But—he still hadn’t died. Lancer didn’t know the reason behind it, but Saber was still in this world even now.

    In that case… their promise was also still valid.

    Naturally, Lancer understood that ‘he’ was a being far removed from Saber of Black. Lancer understood that ‘he’ was a being who had been born with everything taken away from him, even more so than Lancer, and yet still struggled to live.

    But a promise was a promise. It couldn’t be changed. Back then, Karna and Siegfried had wagered each other’s lives, battled with deadly technique and put off the conclusion for later.

    —They had sworn on their names to definitely fight and unleash their utmost power against each other. It was a trust founded on their very lives. To break it would be equal to insulting that man’s life.

    He had surely entrusted something to the one who had now become Saber of Black. Lancer believed that ascertaining that was would tie to the promise they’d made.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirGauoftheSquareTable View Post
    It honestly is because Rama at least looks Indian and somewhat human.

    I know artistic accuracy was never the goal, but I just think Karna's TM design is just stupid and that a more traditional depiction would have looked way more kickass.
    give him a mustache and gg
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    Quote Originally Posted by FSF 5, Chapter 14: Gold and Lions I
    Dumas flashed a fearless grin at Flat and Jack as he rattled off odd turns of phrase.
    "And most importantly, it's me who'll be doing the cooking."
    Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
    Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
    Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.


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    Man the anime really just cut out all of red team's development.

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    Karna needs a marked personality to bounce off to better define himself.

    Say whatever you want about Jinako, but through contrast with her Servant she did far more to establish Karna, than the rest of the Red faction, all too wrapped in their own issues, ever did for him in Apocrypha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reign View Post
    Man the anime really just cut out all of red team's development.
    They cut Karna's bath scene, something I will never forgive.

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    Karna needs a master to interact with.

    Actually that's kind of a thing for most servants.

    That's part of why I'm dissatisfied with Apo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reign View Post
    Man the anime really just cut out all of red team's development.
    Not that there was much to chew on in the first place. Might as well go all out with the fireworks which is what they did (well for the finale anyway).
    Last edited by GarlandGreene; October 23rd, 2018 at 01:21 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menwearpink View Post
    Karna needs a master to interact with.

    Actually that's kind of a thing for most servants.

    That's part of why I'm dissatisfied with Apo.
    Red Faction was wasted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirGauoftheSquareTable View Post
    Red Faction was wasted.
    Pretty much all the characters were, because that's what happens when you decide to have 59097 characters in your story.

    It's one of the reasons Apoc is inherently trash.

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    Would apo have been better under the unbirth idea of 14 Servant battle royale in Shinjuku, every Master has a Servant and a Grail Vessel.
    Goal is to obviously fill up their grail vessel.
    Quote Originally Posted by FSF 5, Chapter 14: Gold and Lions I
    Dumas flashed a fearless grin at Flat and Jack as he rattled off odd turns of phrase.
    "And most importantly, it's me who'll be doing the cooking."
    Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
    Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
    Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.


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    Quote Originally Posted by forumghost View Post
    Pretty much all the characters were, because that's what happens when you decide to have 59097 characters in your story.

    It's one of the reasons Apoc is inherently trash.
    It did have some interesting ideas and some info on the Third Grail War, even if it was an AU. Still mostly trash, and I'm picking around for scraps.

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    They should have just made Apo an MMO like they were planning to initially.

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    Also, FSF is doing what Apo tried to do, but better.

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    Speaking of which, I do hope Jeanne appears in FSF in the clusterfuck that is the Snowfield Holy Grail Wars, and Francesca and Francois do try and break her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GarlandGreene View Post
    They should have just made Apo an MMO like they were planning to initially.
    We know a Fate MMO just isn't going to happen. Apo got scrapped, and FSF as an MMO also got scrapped, but started as an April Fools' joke anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GarlandGreene View Post
    They should have just made Apo an MMO like they were planning to initially.
    They should have made Apo not about the Greater Grail War at all and instead made it a slice-of-life story about kung-fu wizard Rin.

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    Apo should have been a MOBA

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    Quote Originally Posted by forumghost View Post
    They should have made Apo not about the Greater Grail War at all and instead made it a slice-of-life story about kung-fu wizard Rin.
    That is....GENIUS. No, but really, I'd watch.

    Apropos of nothing, at what post count do I get to Dark Six?
    Last edited by SirGauoftheSquareTable; October 23rd, 2018 at 01:39 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by forumghost View Post
    They should have made Apo not about the Greater Grail War at all and instead made it a slice-of-life story about kung-fu wizard Rin.
    Don't forget about her Mapo Tofu eating sifu


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    FSF is kind of a mess also I feel in some ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirGauoftheSquareTable View Post
    Also, FSF is doing what Apo tried to do, but better.
    I really don't think it's actually doing better.

    It's every bit as much of a clusterfuck as Apoc, but without any of the unifying elements. It's reference/cameo central.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magikewl View Post
    Apo should have been a MOBA
    This is correct, but they should have also made Extella a PUBG clone.

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    VERY unpopular opinion...

    Fate/Grand Order should've been a AAA RPG created by Square Enix or Bamco...

    Another two:

    1. F/GO designs are a disgrace to most of the characters (dressing ancient heroes, who either dressed modestly or bared everything in non glamorous ways, like beef and cheese cakes and pole dancers? Really. I was willing to allow leeway for Scath, since her outfit was still somewhat modest, but when they started going full on anachronistic or just plain silly, like Captain Leomerica, they crossed the line) and should be redesigned to be somewhat more serious.

    2. Nasu should Westernize and not pander to the Sankaku-otaku crew obsessed with t's, a's, h's and yuri. FSN was a novel with mature content, not effing nukige... pandering to Otaku's will only lead to most of the world seeing the few of us who like it for what it could've been rather than what it is look as bad as the people who go "Seiba Nero waifu best girl"...

    Seriously, am I the only one Nasu had the potential to go full Harry Potter with this if he had opted to sell movie rights in the West and gone with a more serious, yet ironically less somber, setting?

    It's basically a Nitro themed verse as it is (basically, a bloody awful horror setting with cutesy moeblob characters acting silly in between destroying abominations with overpowered SRW ripoff attacks, jokes and themes, with the occasional serious subplot or figure getting leftover attention rather than being the main plot of the story). There's a reason most fiction is HFY material in the Western world: we don't want to effing die, and fiction writers should ultimately keep the future of civilization being secured in mind as the one "unforgivable" goal even when they are writing horror. Case in point: Call of Cthulhu did not end with the world destroyed, even if the heroes had to give up their own lives for the greater good.

    Well, this also reminded me of one thing: that RWBY skipped a bullet when Monty died, because the work was heading down the same "otaku fuel" path he often praised, and his death meant the story would have to take itself more seriously from there on in.

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