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    Common TM Fanon and Misconceptions

    Wanted to take stock of common misconceptions people have about Typemoon stuff that you see that have or had spread due to popular fanfics, mistranslations, or because it was repeated so many times. Or things that people assume when there is no evidence for or against. Can include things that have been debunked.
    As well as discussion on why this fanon spread and they make intuitive sense to the people who believe and defend them.

    For instance off the top of my head
    The World is a RM
    There are only 5? RM users
    King Hassan has MEoDP
    Caliburn had the concept of "assured victory" so that's how it beat Herc

    I think people really latched onto the MEoDP thing for King Hassan because of his blue fire-y eyes, his Insta-death gimmick, and the fact that he was Grand Assassin. And like MEoDP is literally the uber-tier killing power. So it makes sense that the greatest "killer" in history should have the greatest "killing" power. And the whole Tiamat thing about "giving her the concept of death." Which when you think about it, is explicitly like not how MEoDP works.
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    "Giving concept of death" is more in line with Mystic Eyes of Giving Anything Abstract more than Mystic Eyes of Killing Anything Abstract IMO.

    Personally, I love him more if he just some Middle Age guy that is so good at killing things instead born with some uber ability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Historia View Post
    prana?
    I agree with this one (well, mostly it was You who re-affirmed it to me once). Maryouku is magical energy. Mana is like the greater source of magical energy, and it is not actually referring to the magical energy itself.

    Using Endurance for one of the parameters when Cursed Arm's NP explicitly referred that parameter as CON (Constitution).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clyton View Post
    I agree with this one (well, mostly it was You who re-affirmed it to me once). Maryouku is magical energy. Mana is like the greater source of magical energy, and it is not actually referring to the magical energy itself.
    What is Prana then? I've heard Servants saying that they need Mana though.
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    One misconception that I have that I'm corrected on by one of the BL users is that every route that is presented is canon.

    It only showed possible story routes, not that all routes are considered as canon.

    And another misconception that I had, which I had to correct myself on, is that Zelretch observed those routes.

    Which, I have guessed, you will say that it is wrong on so many levels.

    I'm currently formulating on a story on a basis of what will happen if Zelretch did observe the timeline as canon.
    Last edited by hayate; October 13th, 2018 at 08:26 AM.
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    We actually know what would Happen if Zel was observing the timeline:

    Q: Are the three routes of "Fate/stay night" parallel worlds existing at the same time? I was curious since I was how it would look to Zelretch.

    A: They're parallel... sort of. But if Zelretch was observing, it'd become true, and my feelings on the matter is that I'd rather two routes disappear if one was true.
    If all of these became possible at the same time, the other routes would become meaningless.
    So basically they're all 'true' or rather, they're all possible possibilities that exist on the tree of timelines. But if Zelretch was watching, it'd be 'confirmed'.

    At least, I think that's the implication.

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    That everything that isn't written by Nasu or is an adaption doesn't count as canon. or that TM even has a separation between canon and none-canon
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    Also if we're talking about Popular Fanon that won't go away; Having a Reality Marble=Being Fucked in the Head would be a big one.

    As for where it spread from, I'm pretty sure it was at least in part caused by vagueness in the Mirrormoon Translation, since I seem to recall getting that impression when I first read the VN. Which is probably part of why it refuses to die.

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    The idea that 「両儀式」is a distinct 'character' in any meaningful way
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    "I'm sorry, her cat-like attribute has gone down."

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    Though is there a distinct Void-neesan walking around Chaldea separate from Ryougi or does rolling her just unlock the split personality?

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    Quote Originally Posted by forumghost View Post
    We actually know what would Happen if Zel was observing the timeline:



    So basically they're all 'true' or rather, they're all possible possibilities that exist on the tree of timelines. But if Zelretch was watching, it'd be 'confirmed'.

    At least, I think that's the implication.
    Yep, that's the one.

    The after - effect where Nasu said that "other routes will disappear" part is what I am tackling right now in my fanfic.
    Not dealing with it...

    Why even try?


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    Yeah, there's a saying that you should strive for perfection knowing full well you won't achieve it. Saber looked at it and said "Hold my Beer"
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    And then all her friends resented her for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eddyak View Post
    It's cos of quantum.
    Itís because of some really poor phrasing by nasu. He should have said something like an ďobserverĒ as opposed to zelretch due to some implications. I donít think people would have such a problem with the premise if they didnít derail into a side thought about it being zelretch watching instead of working their way through what nasu was trying to convey.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laserman View Post
    What is Prana then? I've heard Servants saying that they need Mana though.
    Isn't it a fan term for maryoku/magical energy, since that's a mouthful?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laserman View Post
    What is Prana then? I've heard Servants saying that they need Mana though.
    mana is magical energy from the world.

    prana is a general term for magical energy.

    od is magical energy inside humans.

    And I still need confirmation from a knowledgeable BL user since they knew everything from the get go.

    I mixed those terms up the first time I encountered them. -.-
    Not dealing with it...

    Why even try?


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    Lol Ishtarin went full Aqua
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    I've seen people in this forum spend the GDP of a third world country into Grand Order
    Quote Originally Posted by forumghost View Post
    Yeah, there's a saying that you should strive for perfection knowing full well you won't achieve it. Saber looked at it and said "Hold my Beer"
    Quote Originally Posted by forumghost View Post
    And then all her friends resented her for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hayate View Post
    mana is magical energy from the world.

    prana is a general term for magical energy.

    od is magical energy inside humans.

    And I still need confirmation from a knowledgeable BL user since they knew everything from the get go.

    I mixed those terms up the first time I encountered them. -.-
    All that is right. Except the use of prana like that isn't official. It's a fan made term so it could be easier for translation
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laserman View Post
    What is Prana then?

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