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[warellis]

What is Fate/School Life like?

[Kotonoha]

Silly.

e: To be more helpful, Ayaka is there and iirc both Hakunos, the grail war follows HF and Zouken and Kuzuki still die but thanks to Ayaka Shinji survives and so do more of the random civilians I think

[Skull]

This is all very interesting even if trying to make sense of it all gives me a headache.

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

I thought it'd be MORE tangled than this.

[fumei]

I thought it'd be MORE tangled than this.

I mean yeah, it is if you try to do some dumb shit like this, which happens to not even be correct but it's basically how everyone try to make these things

Spoiler:

[Reign]

Wow.

Even if you did try to (wrongly) connect everything cohesively, that image is still way overcomplicated. It reminds me of some Kingdom Hearts character flowcharts that make things more confusing than it actually is.

[warellis]

Silly.

e: To be more helpful, Ayaka is there and iirc both Hakunos, the grail war follows HF and Zouken and Kuzuki still die but thanks to Ayaka Shinji survives and so do more of the random civilians I think

Huh. So if that's the case why is there mention of Shirou apparently traveling around the world and such with having an RM able to be used?

Wouldn't an HF timeline have Shirou stay around in Fuyuki with Sakura?

Or am I mistaken on something about what I just asked?

[aldeayeah]

In Talk Shiki goes after Einnashe's blood fruit to stave off Arcueid's bloodlust, and I'm like 75% sure it's mentioned that she's sleeping in her castle at the time of Tsukihime II. Seems like Arc True to me.

Talk probably follows Arc Good. Key sentences:

MERM: Is it true that the princess won't be returning to her castle?

MERM: It should be about time for her blood crave to take over.
CIEL: Is that so? From what I've seen, she didn't seem to have reached that stage.

The implication is that Arcueid is still active (so, not Arc True), but her condition is deteriorating gradually.

That could happen in any Near Side route except Arc True. But we know that Shiki loves Arc, so most likely Arc Good.

So yes - Talk makes Arc Good bittersweet in hindsight. As a fan of bittersweet endings, go Talk!

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ah, you had already noticed yourself

nothing to see here, move on

[Ratman]

If Rakkyo and Tsukihime were the same world then Aoko would only be a little bit older than Tohno Shiki. The Aoko in Rakkyo has not yet gained the title of "Miss Blue".

Excuse me Nasu, didn't Alba go on a rant about how he's using that nickname for Touko because her real color was taken by her sister? Was that phrased 'her heritage', or something?

[All fictions]

"That's not right! Was the story that you lost your familiar to your sister only a lie...?!"

As if he couldn't stand the silence, Alba shouts.

You mean this?

[Leftovers]

Excuse me Nasu, didn't Alba go on a rant about how he's using that nickname for Touko because her real color was taken by her sister? Was that phrased 'her heritage', or something?

"Little bit older" is Shiki being 10 and Aoko 17.

Unified Tsuki/KnK/Fate Timeline: {1972: Touko is born} -> {1974: Aoko is born} -> Touko goes to Reien -> {~1989-1990: Touko studies in Clock Tower} -> {~1990: Mahoyo - Fifth Magic} -> 1991: Shiki is hospitalised, meets Aoko -> 1994: Touko is already Sealing Designated, hired by Kayneth -> 1998: Paradox Spiral -> 1999: Tsukihime -> 2004: Touko still Sealing Designated(?), one of her spare puppets is bought for Shirou

The old timeline still kind of worked, the real problem is where you place the events of Mahoyo now that Tsukihime, Fate, and probably KnK are all their own thing. Because now:

Mahoyo: Touko is born -> 1978: Aoko is born -> Touko kills Grandpa, leaves Misaki -> Touko goes to the Clock Tower -> Touko and Beo's adventures -> 1994: Mahoyo - Fifth Magic

Which doesn't jive with Tsukihime's Aoko meeting Shiki in 1991 or KnK's Touko studying at the CT when Aoko entered high school and also attending Reien before that. It could work with Fate's Touko being a Grand at 20 years old and already being Sealing Designated in 1994 and her Designation being rescinded at the end of the century and her openly attending CT-related social events in 2003 or whenever the second volume of Case Files is set, with Reines thinking she's still SD being an explanation for Rin also thinking the same thing in 2004.

and then there's this line

In the Director's Room, stood a woman barely 25 years old. She turned her head while taking off the trademark glasses like removing a nuisance. The woman smiled at Leiv.
"Hi~ Sorry to bother you, Mister Director.
It happened so suddenly, but I ran out of travel fund. Can I borrow some cash?"
"It, it's the younger sister, noooooooooooooooooo!!!!"

edit:

月姫で発場する青子は彼女が「世界の主役」だった頃から数年後の、先輩・導き手としての姿。

and w/e「世界の主役」refers to it probably means she didn't meet shiki like 1 year after mahoyo/gaining magic

[mewarmo990]

I've see too many horrible timelines so I decided to make my own

I feel like... you should know better than to do this

[Leftovers]

i realise i never actually addressed what i originally meant to

Yeah uh, Aoko still being in Misaki (when???) training and not having Magic doesn't really make sense. Touko not getting blue isn't necessarily related to Aoko but losing her familiar to Aoko necessitates the events of Mahoyo to have occurred.

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Unless what's meant is that Mahoyo happened and she has achieved Blue but she's still training and not roaming the world as Magic Gunner and meeting Shiki that way.

[Rafflesiac]

obviously the timeline got shot to hell thanks to aoko using blue

[Historia]

(it's all) thanks to aoko

the default

[All fictions]

her openly attending CT-related social events in 2003 or whenever the second volume of Case Files is set

October 2003, yeah.

There's also this from Fate/side mats:

During the Fifth Holy Grail War in Fuyuki City, the older sister was busy hiding her tracks, while the younger sister was roaming around the country.

So did Touko get re-Sealed...?

[Leftovers]

Oh, right. Idk. Either resealed, or swept under the retcon mat, or she went into hiding for another reason. The entry first talking about the events of Mahoyo and then saying Touko went to the CT is also curious because if interpreted as the order of events along with Dokuhon saying Touko went to the CT after killing Grandpa her timeline looks extremely wonky:

Reien -> Kill Grandpa -> CT -> Misaki (Mahoyo) -> CT -> Sealing -> Mifune?

edit: but then CM says Grandpa declared Aoko the heir on her 16th birthday and that until she was 18 Touko didn't go to school and that Touko in KnK is in her late 20s about 10 years after leaving the Aozaki so lol none of this works

[warellis]

How old are Touko & Aoko from what we know?

[Arashi_Leonhart]

Aoko is a teenager in the 80s, meaning she's a young adult when she meets Shiki and pushing 30 by Melty.

[Iceblade44]

I'm curious what a really old Aoko would look like.

Damn Extra allowing the option of customizable avaters