Galahad yes, but Gawain? Maybe in the early days, but he basically screwed over Artoria at the wrong time over a personal grudge. Also, they probably fell in the camp of pitying the king for her loneliness or frustration at her inhumanity.Originally Posted by Zork Knight
Gawain just thinks she's perfect and he's the terrible one for fucking up.
Why would any of the knights be jealous of her? She's supposed to be better than them, she's their King. None of them have expressed such feelings.
Like, (Berserker) Lancelot even wishes he was more beastly, not perfect like her.
I was deliberately avoiding the comparison so we wouldn't get stuck in that rut again, but Alexander is something like the mirror image of Saber. He indulged in ALL the vice, acted on his emotions all the time (both when he killed one of his generals in a fit of rage and when he spilled the last helm of water in the desert because his army was thirsty), and generally acted larger than life. Of course, directly opposite Saber's self-effacement, this stemmed from his selfishness, but his people adored him precisely because he was flawed and human like them.
To put it simply, let's say you're a random peasant serving under one of them. Saber might order your village razed so that she could use your resources to stop a barbarian army massing at the other side of the border, but all you'd be left with was "the king razed my home and didn't even bother showing up himself" (because he's already on campaign or spending every waking hour planning how to maximise use of those resources, but you don't know that). Alex might burn down your village because you refused to feed his army or because the village elder insulted him or somesuch, and you'd still resent him for that, but at least you'd understand why, and he'd be the one throwing the first torch (because fuck your village, but again: he'd be there.)
Last edited by Deathhappens; October 20th, 2018 at 01:18 AM.
shit BL says
Once and always and nevermore.
When I spoke of Arturia's men I was actually mostly meaning the armies and battalions who allied against her and DID rally under Mordred, by the way.
The missconception i wanna clear is the one that claims that Jeanne is a /was supposed to be a Counter guardian just like Archer.
For that to be true, the situation needs to go like this
Counter force: Hey Jeanne, wanna kick some brit butt? All you need to do is serve me in the afterlife
Jeanna: Sure.
I also feel like in that case, jeanne wouldnt claim its gods work or praise the lord as much as she does.
What actually happened was that the counter force notice that the brits were winning so hard that they were gonna "destroy humanity" ,so it picked a random french girl and told her to kick brit butt and gave her the power to do so. And like KnK says, it then had her killed before she became a bigger problem than the one she took care of.
So while KnK claims that Jeannes divine inspiration and success was all thanks to the counter force helping, Because she wasnt offered a deal, only used and discarded like some tool, she only became a heroic spirit and not a counter guardian on top of it
Even that much isn't for sure, the part of KnK in question didn't say it as fact just people wondering if she was.
It was just Touko speculating when discussing about the Counter Force with Mikiya right?
Otherway around it's what Mikiya thought
Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
It’d be one thing if it was Touko but if Mikiya said it there’s literally no way it can be wrong then, huh
Well I mean tbf Mikiya once came across a girl in a dark alley covered with blood and holding a dirtied blade amongst a pile of bodies and somehow came to the correct conclusion of 'she didn't kill them' even after said girl confessed to him that she had a intense desire to murder things.
Dude's got pretty sharp instincts.
it wasn't an alleyway
she wasn't holding a blade
there was only one body
かん汗ぎゅう牛じゅう充とう棟
Expresses the exceeding size of one's library.
Books are extremely many, loaded on an oxcart the ox will sweat.
At home piled to the ridgepole of the house, from this meaning.
Read out as 「Ushi ni ase shi, munagi ni mitsu.」
Source: 柳宗元「其為書，處則充棟宇，出則汗牛馬。」— Tang Dynasty
Okay yeah that's my bad I only read it once and that was years ago.
Still an odd conclusion to make though.
if you recall, his immediate reaction seeing that was "oh god i was such an idiot why didn't i take her seriously about the murder thing"
it is only after he's had time to think about it that he concludes that she didn't do it
かん汗ぎゅう牛じゅう充とう棟
Expresses the exceeding size of one's library.
Books are extremely many, loaded on an oxcart the ox will sweat.
At home piled to the ridgepole of the house, from this meaning.
Read out as 「Ushi ni ase shi, munagi ni mitsu.」
Source: 柳宗元「其為書，處則充棟宇，出則汗牛馬。」— Tang Dynasty
Like I said it's been about a decade, but I remembered it as:
"holy shit it's a body" *Scooby Doo Running Sounds*
*Five mins later* "Wait why did I run Shiki is too smart and pretty and popular and pretty and talented and pretty and respected and pretty to be a murderer"
i suggest you go back and read it, because that's not how it happens
かん汗ぎゅう牛じゅう充とう棟
Expresses the exceeding size of one's library.
Books are extremely many, loaded on an oxcart the ox will sweat.
At home piled to the ridgepole of the house, from this meaning.
Read out as 「Ushi ni ase shi, munagi ni mitsu.」
Source: 柳宗元「其為書，處則充棟宇，出則汗牛馬。」— Tang Dynasty
She dindu it bcs she's a cute bunny rabbit.
I only remember the movies, but wasn't it more along the lines of
"I can't believe she actually did it", then later "Now that I think of it, she couldn't have done it" ? There was always an element of willful ignorance there, I thought.
shit BL says
Once and always and nevermore.
Here is fanon. Sword "Incarnation." Ugh. Jesus if only Thirdfang hadn't made that crap up.
By that do you mean what people say because Shirou has the same element and origin?
Does it count as fanon that people say that Chaldea should beat up the MA.
Not counting the idea that the MA is hopeless against Chaldea, or that Chaldea could have an army of servants without any issue powering them completely loyal to the cause of killing as many mages as they can. But rather that it would be good for them to do so.
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