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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceblade44 View Post
    The lettering, A B C EX is a terminology Mages uses, DnD dont use letters so it's not that.
    So Magi do see Stats as letter ranks for the most part?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirGauoftheSquareTable View Post
    What I meant to ask is if magi, raised as they are, conceive of Stats differently than regular people, not whether they can see stats because they are magi.
    They see stats represented by Master vision as the best way for them to understand it, but the overall idea of how the letter power levels work isnt because RPG format, its layered like that for Shirou in one but the understanding of Ranks is universal on how Nasuverse magic works

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirGauoftheSquareTable View Post
    So Magi do see Stats as letter ranks for the most part?
    They dont need to see them as letter ranks, but letter ranks is the terminology they use to describe it

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    They will describe something as A and another as E since that's the easiest to explain it and format it. Even in Master vision they see a Giant rock and a Small rock. These generalizations allows them to assign terms for it in an understandable way
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceblade44 View Post
    The lettering, A B C EX is a terminology Mages uses, DnD dont use letters so it's not that.
    I meant the fact that Tokiomi sees Servant specs as game-style stats at all, as opposed to rivers or animals or whatever. Not the specific ranks used. Unless you're saying that Magi would all see stats in a different way, but have a shared terminology of A, B, C and so forth? So one Master might see stats as rivers flowing at different speeds, but they (if they were part of the Mage community) would know that a modestly flowing river equals C-rank, and a really fast one equals A-rank? (Just an example, the exact rankings aren't really relevant here). I guess that makes more sense, though it'd still be funny to imagine someone as ultra proper and serious like Toki as a closeted gamer otaku.

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    I kinda get it.

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    my argument would be more sound if Japan school system used ABCDF instead of grading out of 100

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoydGolden View Post
    I meant the fact that Tokiomi sees Servant specs as game-style stats at all, as opposed to rivers or animals or whatever. Not the specific ranks used. Unless you're saying that Magi would all see stats in a different way, but have a shared terminology of A, B, C and so forth?
    Yes that is what I'm saying, the terminology is universal, for everything. Not just Servant stats for that matter
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoydGolden View Post
    I meant the fact that Tokiomi sees Servant specs as game-style stats at all, as opposed to rivers or animals or whatever. Not the specific ranks used. Unless you're saying that Magi would all see stats in a different way, but have a shared terminology of A, B, C and so forth? So one Master might see stats as rivers flowing at different speeds, but they (if they were part of the Mage community) would know that a modestly flowing river equals C-rank, and a really fast one equals A-rank? (Just an example, the exact rankings aren't really relevant here). I guess that makes more sense, though it'd still be funny to imagine someone as ultra proper and serious like Toki as a closeted gamer otaku.
    It also does establish a similar character trait to that of Rin's attempts to play the proper magus while having a not insubstantial soft side in reality. Shame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madarra View Post
    my argument would be more sound if Japan school system used ABCDF instead of grading out of 100
    They don't use both? Interesting. I grew up in a system with both, at least by middle school. At least, we had number grades and then a sort of A, B, C and then fail. Not sure how formal the letter grades were though.

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    Kinda ninja'ed since Ice already explained exactly what I was asking. I'll still keep my post as I feel it clarifies some things though.

    Also I totally forgot about spells having rankings too. Definitely makes sense that's a shared system among Mages then. Actually, that makes me wonder why Shirou saw the rankings as letter grades, given that he wasn't part of Magi society and presumably wouldn't have been familiar with their way of ranking spells and whatnot. Unless Kiritsugu taught him that before dying (which seems unlikely as Kiri didn't really teach Shirou much magic, and ranking seems like a pretty trivial detail to bother to pass on), or it's some kind of baked-in "default" option for the Heaven's Feel ritual in case the Master has no familiarity with Servants and their specs.

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    idk. since ive started watching subbed anime 10 years ago, i`ve only seen number scores on tests.. the only times i saw letter scores on tests was dubs, so i assume they were edited in the dub...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoydGolden View Post
    Kinda ninja'ed since Ice already explained exactly what I was asking. I'll still keep my post as I feel it clarifies some things though.

    Also I totally forgot about spells having rankings too. Definitely makes sense that's a shared system among Mages then. Actually, that makes me wonder why Shirou saw the rankings as letter grades, given that he wasn't part of Magi society and presumably wouldn't have been familiar with their way of ranking spells and whatnot. Unless Kiritsugu taught him that before dying (which seems unlikely as Kiri didn't really teach Shirou much magic, and ranking seems like a pretty trivial detail to bother to pass on), or it's some kind of baked-in "default" option for the Heaven's Feel ritual in case the Master has no familiarity with Servants and their specs.
    Presumably because Kiritsugu attempted to teach him stuff within the standards used by everyone else.

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    i dislike the fact that the MC isnt a female ginger overlord
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    It does mean that, but not literally.
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    Literally none of this addresses my complaint. What we see in the story IS all there is of him. A footnote in a side material book saying "oh btw that's totally not his real self" is irrelevant to the way he's presented in the game.

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    also, i know the meta reason for it, but i wish the A team had at least been mentioned in part 1.

    alternatively, actually seeing them and interacting with them in part 1 before the bomb would habe been even better
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    It does mean that, but not literally.
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    Literally none of this addresses my complaint. What we see in the story IS all there is of him. A footnote in a side material book saying "oh btw that's totally not his real self" is irrelevant to the way he's presented in the game.

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    You mean mentioned individually? Because the A team definitely came up in part one, it was just light on details outside of “Mash was on it and it had 8 members”

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    Yeah it was mentioned in the original prologue Fuyuki
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    Actually seeing them as individuals would still have been nice, or really any other of the Master candidates.

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