Is Type Moon Wiki "fixable"?

[AnoniMauuss]

Technically anyone can edit the wiki. Which is a double-edged sword of course, but what I am wondering is - "Would Type Moon Wiki be a better resource as a whole if more people would edit?"

I know it might be an uphill struggle and unrealistic but I want to hear everyone's thoughts on wiki editing. Sorry if this didn't deserve its own thread.

EDIT: I ask this because while we can make resources that people can't just come in and vandalise, the majority of casual fans tend to default to looking at the wiki and in my experience, it's quite difficult to steer them towards better resources.

[Urameshi Yūsuke]

From what I understand, people here have tried already and failed.

At best, the most that can be done is to advise using the citations provided on the pages, as those provide the right information.

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

From what I understand, people here have tried already and failed.At best, the most that can be done is to advise using the citations provided on the pages, as those provide the right information.

Basically this. It is a shame, though.

[Lily Emilio]

Depends on how you view the wiki tbh. It's a good source if you want a quick check on something, go there and scroll down to the bottom to check the sources of certain stuffs. But it's always secondary source for information so I always advice people to look up the source materials. The way the wiki is now, I don't see a need to "fix" it for me.

[Clyton]

From what I understand, people here have tried already and failed.

At best, the most that can be done is to advise using the citations provided on the pages, as those provide the right information.

I was fine with the editing. None of the other editors really stopped me since I usually put a reference to everything I put.

The problem at the moment is probably a lack of manpower since even recent lore reveals are not implemented in the wiki, and when they do, some of the editors are lazy enough to not even put references for that. (I was one of the more active editors in the past year but I stopped because I wanted to focus on my own translations first before continuing.)

Also, the fears of something being reverted because of certain editors and their certain "headcanons" is not that big of a deal anymore. E.g. I had to explain why Knight of Honor was actually Knight of Owner and they accepted it in the end.

P.S. The fandom wiki's edit system is not really edit friendly anymore, or at least on the TM Wiki.

P.S.S. Some of the citation entries themselves are inaccurate. Off the top of my head, a few of the mirrormoon translations, and most especially, the localization of the EXTRA's mats entries. So even the citations/references themselves need to be checked once again, and I do want to do that in the future, but it'll take a lot of manpower to fix everything. I honestly think it's easier to rebuild the wiki from the ground up and actually analyze what references are being put in. Especially since some articles contain editors' paraphrasing of a reference that actually meant something different compared to the reference being cited for.

[warellis]

You know what I find really irritating about the wiki? How the wiki will often claim it's info is from some source in the citations only to find the English side has like only a name, with nothing from the Japanese portion translated. It's irritating as hell.

[AnoniMauuss]

You know what I find really irritating about the wiki? How the wiki will often claim it's info is from some source in the citations only to find the English side has like only a name, with nothing from the Japanese portion translated. It's irritating as hell.

Yeah I also hate that.

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I was fine with the editing. None of the other editors really stopped me since I usually put a reference to everything I put.

The problem at the moment is probably a lack of manpower since even recent lore reveals are not implemented in the wiki, and when they do, some of the editors are lazy enough to not even put references for that. (I was one of the more active editors in the past year but I stopped because I wanted to focus on my own translations first before continuing.)

Also, the fears of something being reverted because of certain editors and their certain "headcanons" is not that big of a deal anymore. E.g. I had to explain why Knight of Honor was actually Knight of Owner and they accepted it in the end.

P.S. The fandom wiki's edit system is not really edit friendly anymore, or at least on the TM Wiki.

P.S.S. Some of the citation entries themselves are inaccurate. Off the top of my head, a few of the mirrormoon translations, and most especially, the localization of the EXTRA's mats entries. So even the citations/references themselves need to be checked once again, and I do want to do that in the future, but it'll take a lot of manpower to fix everything. I honestly think it's easier to rebuild the wiki from the ground up and actually analyze what references are being put in. Especially since some articles contain editors' paraphrasing of a reference that actually meant something different compared to the reference being cited for.

I know what you mean, you kinda need to try to leave no room for doubt because of stubborn editors like that or failing that, be just as stubborn.

Manpower is also a definite factor, I agree. Wiki editing is a lot more work than it seems. So ironing out every issue would be quite hard between like one, two or three active editors in a reasonable amount of time.

[Deathhappens]

The main issue with the wiki is that not only is the Nasuverse obnoxiously big (and most importantly, largely untranslated or solely fan-translated - the main VNs don't even have an official English release yet, for duck's sake), it is also to a great degree interconnected. So something that might be stated in one source (e.g. Tamamo's Divinity in FGO) can be recontextualised or flat out misunderstood if the submitter hasn't also read something else (e.g. CCC and the appearance of Amaterasu there). There's also a lot of stuff in older mats that's, if not straight up retconned, entirely changed in meaning by more recent additions to the lore (e.g. how Herc's God Hand works exactly, or what Excalibur actually is). As such, even if the wiki was only ever edited by well-meaning individuals who only added information directly from a referenced source, it would STILL contain inaccuracies and cause editing wars.

The solution is either for the relatively few people with a sufficient grasp of the overall picture to work full-time fact-checking and proofreading every article (unrealistic and unsustainable in the long run as new lore gets aded almost daily- thanks FGO) or to wait for the general "level of understanding" of the Nasuverse to gradually rise as more of it becomes more accessible to more people (feasible but very long run "solution").

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

Wait, they changed how God Hand works?

[Bobin]

something something the ufotable anime is it's own slightly different AU portrayal of FSN something something God Hands malfunctions whenever Saber shows up on-screen because it makes her look good

[You]

Wait, they changed how God Hand works?

After he recovers he gains resistance not immunity to the same type of attack.

[Urameshi Yūsuke]

After he recovers he gains resistance not immunity to the same type of attack.

Wasn't that how it always was though?

Something like, gaining +1000 resistance which pretty much equaled to outright immunity?

[You]

Wasn't that how it always was though?

Something like, gaining +1000 resistance which pretty much equaled to outright immunity?

In addition to these two effects, Twelve Labors also possesses a third effect, rendering an attack that it has experienced no longer effective. Regardless of how powerful the Noble Phantasm is that defeats Heracles, it would be ineffective after he resurrects.

vs

With Berserker's Noble Phantasm God Hand, you gain resistance to an attack once you're hit by it, but do you only gain this resistance by having died once? Would the same attack be effective multiple times as long as it was before he died? <Madao Gingetsu>
Nasu You don't have to die. For example... if you were to take fire damage, once you recover you would gain +100 resistance to fire.
Takeuchi Oh, feels like it has been toned-down. Wouldn't it have completely nullified it before?
Nasu I said it won't work, but I don't think I've ever said it'll be negated. BB: "Mine is to nullify all attacks, Macho-san's is to triple his defense! What's the difference!?" Heracles: "It's not even close (to your hacked ability)!"
Takeuchi No matter how you put it, it's an overpowered skill.

even takeuchi wtf'd

[Deathhappens]

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[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

I see...the original was too busted anyway. Nerf was necessary. That, and it is a buff in some ways because Herk doesn't need to die to gain adaptive resistance.

[mAc Chaos]

Well... the original description says it would "no longer be effective."

That's not necessarily immunity.

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

Well... the original description says it would "no longer be effective."

That's not necessarily immunity.

What else could it be?

[Reign]

What else could it be?

If an attack is Not Very Effective in Pokemon, it still hurts just not as much.

Though given Takeuchi's reaction I'd say it was meant to be immunity originally.

[mAc Chaos]

If a weapon is supposed to do 100 points of damage, but your ability makes it only do 15 points of damage against you, it's pretty much a non-factor at that point, even if it's not literally negated.

Even cutting it in half would make a big difference.

But yeah this is another area where the plain meaning seems to have indicated something else, but Nasu managed to change it without actually changing it, per se. The words are ambiguous. One might say it was "always" like this, as we can't read Nasu's mind, and that we simply misunderstood without the clarification. Either way, a shift in understanding has occurred.

[Wandering Swordwoman]

something something the ufotable anime is it's own slightly different AU portrayal of FSN something something God Hands malfunctions whenever Saber shows up on-screen because it makes her look good

Yes, I'm thankful for that :v

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If a weapon is supposed to do 100 points of damage, but your ability makes it only do 15 points of damage against you, it's pretty much a non-factor at that point, even if it's not literally negated.

Even cutting it in half would make a big difference.

But yeah this is another area where the plain meaning seems to have indicated something else, but Nasu managed to change it without actually changing it, per se. The words are ambiguous. One might say it was "always" like this, as we can't read Nasu's mind, and that we simply misunderstood without the clarification. Either way, a shift in understanding has occurred.

herk HP 5000
Alter damage him for 150.000
Then decrease to 50.000
Then about 15000
5000
Legit enough for me