Translation Help Thread

**mewarmo990** · December 10th, 2011, 03:40 AM

Originally Posted by deadfish

You don't beat your wife?

Yes, I-

DAMN YOU ARAI

**~~Touko~~** · December 15th, 2011, 01:45 AM

Originally Posted by deadfish

You don't beat your wife?

Yes, I don't.

However, if you do, "You do beat your wife, don't you?"

Then the answer is "No, I don't".

deadfish · December 16th, 2011, 05:15 AM

No food?

**mewarmo990** · December 16th, 2011, 05:17 AM

Originally Posted by deadfish

No food?

Yes, no food.

Wait, no, yes food.

Potato.

**Strange_One** · January 16th, 2012, 02:44 PM

I'm back. I'm up to the end of Remaining Sense of Pain with my OCD need to have subjectively perfect subs and some of the lines of Kizuato are confusing this poor gaijin that doesn't know japanese.

Help would be appreciated.

yorokobi	mo	kanashimi	mo
kizami	tsuketai	fukaku
anata	to	koko	ni	iru
saiwai	no	nagori	ni

The highlighted line there is a bit odd from my dictionary bashing. Everyone seems to translate that something like 'I want to engrave it deep.'
However fukaku in that use means 'depression/angle of dip'. That doesn't sound right in English, but does it make sense in Japanese?

Next line

sono	hitomi	de	kuchizuke	de
koishita	ato	wo	kudasai
ikiru	koto	ni	tsuranukarete	naite	mitai

Everyone seems to translate that something like 'Please give me proof that I was loved.'
The other words are pretty clear cut, but then I find Koishitau in the dictionary and it says 'to miss, to yearn for' ಠ_ಠ
So, can the romanisation 'koishita' refer to love past tense in some form?

**mewarmo990** · January 16th, 2012, 02:59 PM

As a future reminder, it becomes 110% easier to help you when you post actual Japanese lines instead of ambiguous romaji.

Originally Posted by Hen_Ichi

yorokobi	mo	kanashimi	mo
kizami	tsuketai	fukaku
anata	to	koko	ni	iru
saiwai	no	nagori	ni

The highlighted line there is a bit odd from my dictionary bashing. Everyone seems to translate that something like 'I want to engrave it deep.'
However fukaku in that use means 'depression/angle of dip'.

Actual lyrics:
よろこびもかなしみも
刻みつけたい深く
貴方とここにいる
さいわいの名残に

As you can see, it's 深く, which means 'deep'. NOT 俯角, which doesn't make any sense.

Next line

sono	hitomi	de	kuchizuke	de
koishita	ato	wo	kudasai
ikiru	koto	ni	tsuranukarete	naite	mitai

Everyone seems to translate that something like 'Please give me proof that I was loved.'
The other words are pretty clear cut, but then I find Koishitau in the dictionary and it says 'to miss, to yearn for' ಠ_ಠ
So, can the romanisation 'koishita' refer to love past tense in some form?

Actual lyrics:
その瞳でくちづけで
恋した跡を下さい
生きることに貫かれて泣いてみたい

The root here is 恋する, which is "to love", of which 恋した is merely the past tense.. 恋い慕う is a different phrase.

Full thought is something like, "Please give me proof that I was loved, with those eyes and a kiss"

**Strange_One** · January 16th, 2012, 04:11 PM

Thank you. I'll try and search the actual japanese if its possible next time.

**mewarmo990** · January 31st, 2012, 01:54 AM

Updated OP with an @wiki link for kasanekotoba.

**Seika** · January 31st, 2012, 06:49 AM

Hm. I've tended to use Denshi Jisho. Has anyone else used it; have they found it useful/lacking in any particular areas compared to their favourite sites? Seems to cover all the basics - English <-> Japanese; kanji look-up by radical, stroke count or index; full word lookup; readings given (also in Chinese and Korean); on and kun given. It's not bad at other languages also: lookup's much better on the English <-> Japanese basis, but once you have a particular word, it'll still give you French, Spanish and Portuguese as well. There are specialist sections for computing, engineering and names/places. It will also distinguish jouyou from uncommon kanji.

Thoughts?

**Lianru** · January 31st, 2012, 07:48 AM

I use Jisho as well ^_^

**aldeayeah** · February 1st, 2012, 11:40 AM

I've used Nihongo resources for many years.

I'm particularly fond of the JP<->EN dictionary. You can search for substrings in the beginning, middle and end of the word. You can input romaji (autoconverted to kana), kana, kanji or english meaning. You can also use wildcards. For example, if I know it's a two-kanji word that ends in 道, I can just search "?道" as a "whole word".

They have a free grammar book too.

**mewarmo990** · February 2nd, 2012, 02:07 AM

Originally Posted by Seika

Hm. I've tended to use Denshi Jisho. Has anyone else used it; have they found it useful/lacking in any particular areas compared to their favourite sites? Seems to cover all the basics - English <-> Japanese; kanji look-up by radical, stroke count or index; full word lookup; readings given (also in Chinese and Korean); on and kun given. It's not bad at other languages also: lookup's much better on the English <-> Japanese basis, but once you have a particular word, it'll still give you French, Spanish and Portuguese as well. There are specialist sections for computing, engineering and names/places. It will also distinguish jouyou from uncommon kanji.

Thoughts?

As a dictionary I've found it adequate, though not significantly better than similar alternatives.

Particularly for terms that may require some explanation beyond a definition, Japanese sites like Kotobank tend to suit the task better.

**mewarmo990** · February 28th, 2012, 03:22 AM

Got my JLPT results back last weekend! 合格できた yayyyyyyyyy

**Arashi_Leonhart** · February 28th, 2012, 04:24 AM

The everdistant dream...

**mewarmo990** · February 28th, 2012, 04:46 AM

Originally Posted by Arashi_Leonhart

The everdistant dream...

That would be N1, for me.

9 months to go... may or may not take it depending on whether I have time to keep up my language study.

**Arashi_Leonhart** · February 28th, 2012, 04:57 AM

I can't even imagine N1. My next class uses N3 material and I'm pretty sure I'll only manage mediocrity out of it...fluency is something I'm pretty sure I'm just too old for now.

**mewarmo990** · February 28th, 2012, 05:19 AM

I wouldn't say anyone is ever too old for fluency unless you're in your last years or something. It's just the amount of time and resources you want to invest in it.

If you were to immerse yourself in Japan, forced to speak and learn Japanese and nothing else for a sustained period, I daresay you'd improve damned quick (I know I did, more progress in a month than in my first three years). Of course, the cost (opportunity or otherwise) of that path is somewhat prohibitive for most, myself included...

Wish I could go back. Textbooks and homework are boring, and translation of things I like is only slightly less dull. Maybe a semester somewhere down the line, when medical is looking solid.

**Arashi_Leonhart** · February 28th, 2012, 05:25 AM

Well, I mean, fluency when all I'm doing is school. My uni has a lot of ties to schools in Japan and we have a large number of JET members and all, and I've been recommended to teach English there. But my focus is on writing and my ambitions as a novelist, so doing something that would mean at the very least sidelining my planned career for a minimum of six months is not what I'm capable of committing to...

...That is, until I can't find a publication job ~~or lose the opportunity to work at Yen Press like I recently did arg~~ and run out of money, in which case, OMGJOBYESPLEASE.

**themasterwarlord** · February 28th, 2012, 06:06 AM

Hmm, I had N4 for 2 years already by now. I wanted to do N2 soon, but JLPT inside Japan itself is like 5 times outside. *sigh*

**themasterwarlord** · March 1st, 2012, 01:23 PM

Can anyone help me? what does 理をはずす/ことわりをはずすmeans? I think it was an idiom or something. I need it soon. Thanks.

Sorry for doubleposting.

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