I just watched it this weekend and it was pretty fun, but it got me thinking.
Vash's lifestyle is pretty much identical to Shirou. He wants to save everyone and never have to kill. He thinks other people's lives are always worth risking his own for, regardless of the cost. He even looks kind of like Archer.
But with all this, no one ever faults Vash for having that sort of broken personality the way they do with Shirou. Discuss.
Because it's not related to the plot, like in FSN.
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... EMIYA is pretty much the same person as Vash. In life at least. He wandered the world to help people who can't or won't help themselves and gets accused of being a villain as a result. Just Vash is a fungi and EMIYA is empty.Originally Posted by Bittersweet
The girls seem to be concerned about that whole life style of Vash's at least. And I vaguely remember Wolfwood being kind of a dick about the whole thing. And Knives(?) was very dissaproving of it. It's been a while since I read/watched it.
Vash isn't a fungi. :<
And Vash refuses to kill. Emiya kills as a shortcut to his goal.
It's not a shortcut. It's a difference in ideal and paradigm. Vash believes "there is no point in death." EMIYA is pursuing "change the fate of the doomed."
As much as they might resemble one another on the surface, Vash is just too superhuman and, well, Western to make a perfect comparison to me. His ideas come from a very Christian place. FSN has a very Eastern paradigm. You want to talk about the struggle between ideals of salvation and realities of killing, EMIYA more resembles Hitokiri Battousai.
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I was comparing him to Shirou. Kelnish compared him to Archer.
It doesn't actually really matter to that end. You said "kills" and that's pretty much what any Shirou is stuck with.
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Well Vash is Shirou's true ideal. He had a hundred years to practice shooting non-lethally.
No, he isn't. He's just another poor soul following an impossible path. Even though he doesn't sacrifice the few save the many, he still fails to save everyone. He's just better at failing to live up to the ideal than Shirou Emiya is.
Because Vash lives in a more light-hearted setting?
...Kenshin has a similar outlook, by the way.
Because the "Hero of Justice" thing is so original.
Hero of justice?
NOTHING BUT A MISERABLE BAG OF DELUSIONS
*throws bong*
But enough talk.
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I'm wondering if this thread will get ugly soon.
I brought popcorn just in case.
It won't.
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Well, I think Vash had it down a lot better. He was also not near as dense to the wants/needs for others. Shirou often just puts forward what he THINKS is right and the other person's opinion be damned (i.e. the entire Fate Route...).
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Yeah, Vash just stupidly asks bad guys "Please stop trying to kill people?" while letting them slap him around because he knows that even though it may be futile, everyone deserves the chance.
Did you ever read the manga?
Yup.
...Although I get your point. Maybe I should have said mood instead of setting.
Another possible reason is that it's much easier to admire a martyr from a third-person point of view (Vash) than it is to actually get into his mind (Shirou).
We know there's nothing else behind Shirou's attitude because we see all of his thoughts. Vash is more mysterious because we mostly see him from the outside.
I guess?
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