Mysterious Story of the Imperial Capital Holy Grail - Fate/type Redline

[Hawkeye]

For anyone even remotely interested in that deadass lancer from the first chapter, I did a bunch of research based on his armour. No surprise it's sort of anacrhonistic, but since it's not the usual Gert Krieger gear either I assume it's been modified to suit his sensibilities. So, here we go.

His armour is full plate so it's later than the 14th century, including leg gear and etchings, so it's not Italian white armour or munitions armour from the later 17th or 18th centuries.

This gives us a gap of the Plate Heyday between the 15th and 16th centuries. This is where I had to start searching annoyingly hard for data.

His helmet looks like an Armet or a close helm, probably the latter, but since Okita seemingly slices his throat through the gap between that and the bevor of his breast plate, I've no idea how the bloody thing was put together, since both those types of helmet have a neck guard. His armour also doesn't include any rondels or couters either, but they were definitely in circulation at the time his helmet and breastplate were, so I guess that's a choice to allow better flexibility at his joints. Long story short, he's a pain in the ass.

From the shape of his breastplate, he could be a German Kasten-brust from the early 1400s, or a French Gendarme from the early 1500s given his skirting and armaments. I know it's not much, but it's what I got.

[Comun]

Apparently, there's some old Nasu statement exemplifying that a portrait of Napoleon is not mystic enough to be a catalyst for him. In that case, a commercialized light novel is definitely out of the question too. Jack the Wristwatch being summoned from a videogame toy knife was very explicitly described as excepting that could only happen because Flat is Flat, so there has to be a not-yet-revealed trick to Okita's summon. Can't be a compatibility summon either because Okita and Kanata are honestly not compatible.

[Deathhappens]

For anyone even remotely interested in that deadass lancer from the first chapter, I did a bunch of research based on his armour. No surprise it's sort of anacrhonistic, but since it's not the usual Gert Krieger gear either I assume it's been modified to suit his sensibilities. So, here we go.

His armour is full plate so it's later than the 14th century, including leg gear and etchings, so it's not Italian white armour or munitions armour from the later 17th or 18th centuries.

This gives us a gap of the Plate Heyday between the 15th and 16th centuries. This is where I had to start searching annoyingly hard for data.

His helmet looks like an Armet or a close helm, probably the latter, but since Okita seemingly slices his throat through the gap between that and the bevor of his breast plate, I've no idea how the bloody thing was put together, since both those types of helmet have a neck guard. His armour also doesn't include any rondels or couters either, but they were definitely in circulation at the time his helmet and breastplate were, so I guess that's a choice to allow better flexibility at his joints. Long story short, he's a pain in the ass.

From the shape of his breastplate, he could be a German Kasten-brust from the early 1400s, or a French Gendarme from the early 1500s given his skirting and armaments. I know it's not much, but it's what I got.

I suspect you probably put more thought into it than the illustrator did.

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Apparently, there's some old Nasu statement exemplifying that a portrait of Napoleon is not mystic enough to be a catalyst for him. In that case, a commercialized light novel is definitely out of the question too. Jack the Wristwatch being summoned from a videogame toy knife was very explicitly described as excepting that could only happen because Flat is Flat, so there has to be a not-yet-revealed trick to Okita's summon. Can't be a compatibility summon either because Okita and Kanata are honestly not compatible.

We really don't know enough about the MC's "real" personality to judge on compatibility, imo. It wouldn't surprise me at all if they end up going for the "protagonist hiding a darker (edgier) side to his personality that resonates with his Servant" angle. He might be shitty, but he's still a mage, after all.

[Comun]

That's possible but unlikely. Kanata already established early in chapter 1 that he only cares about living a peaceful life regardless of any potential he may have a mage. That's not the kind of personality that summons a Servant as notoriously unhesitant to kill as Okita.

[Deathhappens]

Yeah, but consider Shirou was introduced in much the same way.

[fumei]

Shirou didn't summon Saber because of his personality, though.

[You]

Shirou didn't summon Saber because of his personality, though.

inb4 kanata becomes a shinsengumi member

[BananaShiki]

Apparently, there's some old Nasu statement exemplifying that a portrait of Napoleon is not mystic enough to be a catalyst for him. In that case, a commercialized light novel is definitely out of the question too. Jack the Wristwatch being summoned from a videogame toy knife was very explicitly described as excepting that could only happen because Flat is Flat, so there has to be a not-yet-revealed trick to Okita's summon. Can't be a compatibility summon either because Okita and Kanata are honestly not compatible.

Well for one thing I think it's important to note that this not only isn't Nasu writing the story, but Nasu himself also isn't super reliable about consistent lore bits.

I assumed the summoning worked because of the time loop nature of the situation and the novel likely having been written by a survivor of the war and about the war.

[Wandering Swordwoman]

Just say, that the old lore bits is tossed now for the new one

[Deathhappens]

Shirou didn't summon Saber because of his personality, though.

That's not relevant to my point? Shirou was introduced as an everyman who knew a tiny bit of magic and used it to make people's lives easier, then it took until halfway to the next route to truly delve on how distorted his worldview actually is. I'm not saying the same applies here, but it's too early to rule it out.

[ballinamon]

Do you thing this is going to pull a Back to the Future when everything is solved and Kanata returns to the present?

[Quoren]

Seeing as he has a yet unexplained flashback with his grandmother that is obviously related to the stable time loop, yes.

[Reign]

If the grandma reveal didn't happen so early I'd half expect him to become his own grandpa.

[ballinamon]

If the grandma reveal didn't happen so early I'd half expect him to become his own grandpa.

Is that even possible?

[fumei]

Is that even possible?

This is called a causal loop, and is, among other things, a "solution" to the grandfather paradox.

You know in the movie Timeline (2003) where they find the broken stone carving and Frances O'Connor's character is like "what kind of bitch would do something like this?" and then they go back in time and all the stuff happens and they need to escape through the wall but she sees that it's the same wall carving, except in the past, not yet broken, so she realizes and says out loud "Oh my god, I'm that bitch", and then she smashes the stone carving to escape. It's that thing, but like, science.
Or for a more recent example, and perhaps one from a more well-made movie, it's the thing in the Prisoner of Azkaban where all the weird stuff they see going on around Hagrid's hut and later the person who drives away the dementors is actually just Harry and co travelling back in time and avoiding themselves, but still doing the exact things they saw.

Point being, it's basically one of two most common "legit" solutions to the grandfather paradox, but unfortunately it's one of the worst tropes to exist, just absolutely awful.

[ballinamon]

This is called a causal loop, and is, among other things, a "solution" to the grandfather paradox.

You know in the movie Timeline (2003) where they find the broken stone carving and Frances O'Connor's character is like "what kind of bitch would do something like this?" and then they go back in time and all the stuff happens and they need to escape through the wall but she sees that it's the same wall carving, except in the past, not yet broken, so she realizes and says out loud "Oh my god, I'm that bitch", and then she smashes the stone carving to escape. It's that thing, but like, science.
Or for a more recent example, and perhaps one from a more well-made movie, it's the thing in the Prisoner of Azkaban where all the weird stuff they see going on around Hagrid's hut and later the person who drives away the dementors is actually just Harry and co travelling back in time and avoiding themselves, but still doing the exact things they saw.

Point being, it's basically one of two most common "legit" solutions to the grandfather paradox, but unfortunately it's one of the worst tropes to exist, just absolutely awful.

Ok, but this is something about actually make yourself your own ancestor and at the same time your descendant. Eventually your father being your son and after that your father has YOU. How the genetic even play here?

[You]

Ok, but this is something about actually make yourself your own ancestor and at the same time your descendant. Eventually your father being your son and after that your father has YOU. How the genetic even play here?

well in TM
incest = superpowers

[Bobin]

Ok, but this is something about actually make yourself your own ancestor and at the same time your descendant. Eventually your father being your son and after that your father has YOU. How the genetic even play here?

Assuming it’s really time loops at play here, questioning logic such as genetics literally becomes meaningless since there’s no point of origin to base reasoning on anymore. You just handwave it.

[ballinamon]

Assuming it’s really time loops at play here, questioning logic such as genetics literally becomes meaningless since there’s no point of origin to base reasoning on anymore. You just handwave it.

wut?

[Quoren]

Once you get into stable time loops, you're left debating the nature of free will and all that. Unless the series presents some kind of internal logic, it's pointless to try to reason it out.