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    Kolaghan is a pretty bro Dragon as far Dragons go.

    Doesn't murder everyone, leaves the old Khan alive, and just keeps flying fast.

    "try to keep up kid"
    Last edited by JetKinen; February 18th, 2015 at 02:52 PM.

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    All the other dragons are dicks.

    Kolaghan just goes fast.
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    That fallen souls might bear our plea.
    To hasten the Divine's return.
    O piteous Wanderer.

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    Hey man, Dromoka isn't as much of a dick as Silumgar, Atarka, or Ojutai.
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    "Throw away all traditions and your ancestors and serve or die."

    Yeah what a stand-up pal.

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    Meanwhile Atarka just accepted food and demanded nothing else.

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    Even Ojutai, arguably, was less of a dick about it since it only killed those who'd killed dragons and didn't ask the Jeskai to throw away their book-keeping. (There was some revisionist history though hence the arguably.)
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    Yeah, but Atarka isn't going to stop the dragons from fucking the Temur.

    "Yeah, sure give me more food. Stop with the Dragons? Maybe when i'm satisfied mothefuckers, keep the food going"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Siriel View Post
    "Throw away all traditions and your ancestors and serve or die."
    Not all traditions, just the spirit necromancy.

    And Dromoka seems inclined to protect her brood - her brood and her version of krumar alike.
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    They aren't actually sure if she will or not.

    And either way they can actually deal with normal dragons. Just not whole broods led by superdragons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lycodrake View Post
    Not all traditions, just the spirit necromancy.
    Which is the basis of literally the entire tradition of Abzan. "Turtling" is not a tradition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Siriel View Post
    Which is the basis of literally the entire tradition of Abzan. "Turtling" is not a tradition.
    "[Abzan] understand that the world is a brutal place, and that to survive in it, they must be able to rely on and trust the people around them. Duty and family have consequently become the mainstays of Abzan society."

    "Above all, the Abzan value family. Family is the institution that has allowed them to persist and even thrive. The level of trust that members of the clan have for one another is typically linked to closeness of blood. Betrayals of such trust can result in a ritual disowning, where both parties shed blood into a fire. By contrast, if a clan member refers to another clan member as sister or brother, it is a mark of high esteem."
    - Planeswalkers' Guide to Khans of Tarkir

    There is more to Abzan than spirit/ancestor honoring and necromancy.
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    Yeah.

    And the clan no longer exists, after a civil war and losing a huge part of their tradition and their guides.

    In exchange for...an asshole dragon that won't even let them call themselves Abzan.

    Wow Dromoka is sure a lot better than the alternatives!
    Last edited by Siriel; February 18th, 2015 at 04:28 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Siriel View Post
    Yeah.
    And the clan no longer exists.
    Dromoka has similar values, though - you do realize that, right? Said so in the UR article.
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    All the dragons have similar values to their equivalent clan, lol. That's not unique to Dromoka.
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    True.
    I suppose this topic is one that has me irritated, given certain portions of the fandom declaring that Dromoka commited "ethnic cleansing".
    Please tell me that no one here agrees, at the very least with that exact phrasing.
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    Anyway what matters is what they had to sacrifice. Let's look:

    Sultai: We don't know, aside from Silumgar being their leader and Tasigur getting screwed over.
    Abzan: Their name, Dromoka becomes their leader, their ancestors (and thus a significant part of their tradition) and their magic.
    Jeskai: Their dragon-slayers were killed and they had to alter their records. Unknown if Ojudai rules actively or just kind of hangs there.
    Temur: Food.
    Mardu: Their flag lol.

    So in order of lesser loss:

    Mardu, Temur, Abzan/Jeskai (assumes Jeskai's records are as important as Abzan's literal ghosts, depends on how active Ojudai is).

    We just don't know enough about Sultai; for all we know Tasigur got fucked and everyone else went on as usual except now under a dragon.
    Last edited by Siriel; February 18th, 2015 at 04:39 PM.
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    There's still the sand magic left for Abzan - that's something at least.
    And yes, I realize my focus is on Abzan. Tarkir is my first block and I use an Abzan deck - what do you expect? =P
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    I'm assuming everyone lost their name.

    I doubt Mardu will continue being called Mardu and stuff.

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    Kolaghan and Atarka don't actually seem to care at all about the clan destroying action.
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    I think the clans will just naturally fade away.

    Mardu is just going to be a bunch of people trying to race Kolaghan and will lose most sense of unity.
    That's what i understood at least from them giving up the flag and whatnot

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    Quote Originally Posted by JetKinen View Post
    Kolaghan is a pretty bro Dragon as far Dragons go.

    Doesn't murder everyone, leaves the old Khan alive, and just keeps flying fast.

    "try to keep up kid"
    I can't be the only one who imagined a sonic boom and highway to the danger zone when I read that part of the story.
    don't quote me on this

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    So anyone here thinking that Dragons of Tarkir will have mono-colored factions, or do most of y'all agree that it looks like it'll be ally-colored?
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    - FRF and DTK will be drafted together.
    - FRF has all 10 common dual taplands.
    - FRF has 10 multicolored cards: 5 rare ally colored legends, 5 common enemy colored instants
    - FRF has 5 rare mono colored legends with abilities that activate with hybrid mana of ally color/common enemy color.

    FRF is pretty light on the multicolor side... so DTK factions may be monocolored indeed. It's a big time skip after all.

    But if the FRF status quo holds, I think it makes more sense if DTK has 5 ally color factions, with some enemy/wedge colored subversives. The storyline and the common dual taplands are the main reasons I think that.

    Man, I'd love to get a new 5-colored Sarkhan.
    don't quote me on this

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