Recommended Type-Moon Fanfics Discussion II: Electric Boogaloo

[Incarnite Azurnum]

So, there's no thread in the vein of "Help me find this fanfic", so this will do. Anyone remember a story with a Shirou/Saber tag team, in which they work for the Association, ride a bike, hunt DA's, and Saber somehow has Alter inside her head waiting to be unleashed, so she wears some kind of limiter gloves? My gut says Elf wrote this, but I don't remember if it was in old BL or was reposted here.

Quick search in the back end of this subforum says that the story you're looking for was lost in the old BL. It wasn't that bad if I recall.

[Leftovers]

Quick search in the back end of this subforum says that the story you're looking for was lost in the old BL. It wasn't that bad if I recall.

My search tells me the same. Thanks!

[MetallicMask]

Canon implausibilities/contraventions

EMIYA = Caster with A+++ prana.
Medea can use Argon Coin and can ride dragons.
Saber is dunked in AM and breaks free without Avalon.
The Einzberns, despite still seemingly being betrayed by Kiritsugu, decided to summon Herakles as a Saber: a hugely powerful hero who's going to get masses of MR from his class to help him fight their commands.
Cú's base ME rank is merely C, and he still talks and reasons despite even ME: C being enough to cut those off.
Saber variant in Lancer class (questionable given her different background).

Especially that first one is just ... what?

I think people can't resist some of this stuff because it feels pointless that things like Argon Coin, Rhongomyniad, Carnwennan, and Nine Lives Blade Works exist with no obvious way for their actual owners to use them as Servants.

[Lycodrake]

I think people can't resist some of this stuff because it feels pointless that things like Argon Coin, Rhongomyniad, Carnwennan, and Nine Lives Blade Works exist with no obvious way for their actual owners to use them as Servants.

No one can use Argon Coin, though. And "Nine Lives Blade Works" is exclusive to HF Shirou.

[Kelnish]

No one can use Argon Coin, though. And "Nine Lives Blade Works" is exclusive to HF Shirou.

You base the first one on...? If someone can summon phantasmal beasts they can use the Golden Fleece. Says it right there in the game. CM2 or 3 might have something else to say but I haven't seen the translations for golden fleece before. If Medea had a skill to summon instead of item creation because of being in a seperate class container for whatever reason or something...


As for the second:

Nine Lives – Shooting of Hundred Heads (Cannot be used while in the Berserker Class)
Rank: -
Type: -
Range: -
Maximum Targets: -

Among Heracles’ Noble Phantasms, he trusted this one the most. It was the Noble Phantasm which Heracles used to slay the immortal nine-headed serpent Hydra once upon a time, taking the form of bow and arrow. After killing the Hydra, Heracles could even utilise techniques that emulate the ability of this Noble Phantasm when wielding other weapons. In essence, it is “a high speed attack consisting of nine consecutive strikes, as swift as if the attacks are overlapping”. Even when delivered via sword, spear, or axe, this technique still boasts power on the level of Noble Phantasms. Also, just like Cú Chulainn’s demonic spear Gae Bolg has a technique called “Gae Bolg – Piercing Death Thorn”, Heracles’ technique shares the “Nine Lives – Shooting of Hundred Heads” name with the Noble Phantasm.

Shirou projected this secret sword technique while projecting Heracles’ Axe Sword, thus annihilating the Blackened Heracles. While summoned as a Berserker, Heracles could not use Nine Lives.

So calling the technique nine lives blade works is exclusive to Shirou because of the last two words, the technique itself isn't.

[Pata Hikari]

Going to add a +1 to Path of the King.

It's a very fun story, mostly lighthearted and basically takes the idea of Shirou wanting to be a superhero and just flat out making him one. Shriou's Adventures in Fighting Crime are great. He and Rin have some good rivalry chemistry going on too. It also does a good job with:

Spoiler:

Caster's character. Her gradual shift from the rather bitter mage who was just basically taking advantage of Shirou to someone who was genuinely doing (some) nice things and liking him was well done.

Plus, you know, Christmas Cake moe~

[Seika]

I think people can't resist some of this stuff because it feels pointless that things like Argon Coin, Rhongomyniad, Carnwennan, and Nine Lives Blade Works exist with no obvious way for their actual owners to use them as Servants.

Which is fine, but when you start a fanfic project, you recognise that you're using someone else's universe and need to abide by their laws to some extent. When you see one of these 'pointless' things (and I don't think I'd argue that any of them are actual pointless as it stands), if you must work them in, you at least should try it by way of something that fits with the established universe. The betrayed Einzbern summoning the high-MR class for a hideously powerful warrior even by Heroic Servant standards is not fitting; Medea using skills she's explicitly said not to have is not fitting, etc. etc. etc.

If Medea had a skill to summon instead of item creation because of being in a seperate class container for whatever reason or something...

1) It's been noted in several discussions around here that the class container generally has very limited effects on Servants. Your class skills have some emphasis, your stats are tweaked, and that's about the extent of it; the most impactful thing that could be there is no God Hand for non-Berserker Herakles. And that's never been stated, it's just what happens if you combine Side Material and a random interview and take a particular spin on the implications.
2) 'Medea does not have the skills to do this' implies to me that Medea doesn't have those skills, not that she's getting screwed for being Caster. (For this and the previous point, compare Medusa's Independent Action).
3) Rider -> Riding makes sense to me. Rider -> that skill which Riding definitely isn't because Riding doesn't do dragons makes less sense. And Rider -> summoning magic is there but is tenuous in comparison to the actual Riding skills we know that the class does bring express.
4) Just to cap it off, Medea might have helped steal the Fleece itself, but she's certainly not the one who summoned its protector dragon. Her using it is at odds with the legend in the first place and I think that's what Nasu's been getting at here.

[Kelnish]

1) It's been noted in several discussions around here that the class container generally has very limited effects on Servants. Your class skills have some emphasis, your stats are tweaked, and that's about the extent of it; the most impactful thing that could be there is no God Hand for non-Berserker Herakles. And that's never been stated, it's just what happens if you combine Side Material and a random interview and take a particular spin on the implications.
2) 'Medea does not have the skills to do this' implies to me that Medea doesn't have those skills, not that she's getting screwed for being Caster. (For this and the previous point, compare Medusa's Independent Action).
3) Rider -> Riding makes sense to me. Rider -> that skill which Riding definitely isn't because Riding doesn't do dragons makes less sense. And Rider -> summoning magic is there but is tenuous in comparison to the actual Riding skills we know that the class does bring express.
4) Just to cap it off, Medea might have helped steal the Fleece itself, but she's certainly not the one who summoned its protector dragon. Her using it is at odds with the legend in the first place and I think that's what Nasu's been getting at here.

Ehhhhh I'm waaaaaaay too lazy to care about debating this. Except that your last point was a waste of breath because Bellephron. But the first point I made still stands, someone with the argon coin who can summon phantasmal beasts can use it. Caster's inability is based upon her lack of a summoning ability because that's what it says.

[Seika]

Except that your last point was a waste of breath because Bellephron.

Bellerophon is a bridle. Medusa's ability to summon her Pegasus is presumably innate to herself and never appears in her Servant stats at all. Certainly it has no provable connection to whether she's in the Rider class or not.

But the first point I made still stands, someone with the argon coin who can summon phantasmal beasts can use it. Caster's inability is based upon her lack of a summoning ability because that's what it says.

Yes, but then you tried to make her have that summoning ability, which clearly doesn't work because we lack evidence to suggest that class containers work that way at all.

[BlackField]

Didn't the Pegasus always come out of Medusa's neck in the legends anyway? That works well with what happened in F/SN. The weird part is the fact she rides it, I don't remember Medusa riding flying horses.

[Pata Hikari]

Well what else are you going to do with a flying horse?

[BlackField]

Sell it and make billions?

[Kelnish]

Bellerophon is a bridle. Medusa's ability to summon her Pegasus is presumably innate to herself and never appears in her Servant stats at all. Certainly it has no provable connection to whether she's in the Rider class or not.


Yes, but then you tried to make her have that summoning ability, which clearly doesn't work because we lack evidence to suggest that class containers work that way at all.

A bridle enabling a feat only tangentially related to the heroic spirit and at odds with the legend in the first place, was my point.

And you're forgetting the all important "or something", I was just throwing out a random ass seemingly workable solution on its face without much thought put behind it. The thing that we know is that item creation and summoning are mutually exclusive abilities; having a noble phantasm that operates under the principle of summoning will lock out item creation in favor of summoning. It could very well be that Medea has a summoning ability weaker than her item creation skill that was locked out because the strongest is the survivor or something, and it's existence is why Golden Fleece is in her inventory in the first place. It's just the class containers gimp her. /fullwank

Having different facets unlocked by different classes actually is a thing we kinda sorta know though, isn't it? Or at least know enough to infer. Because Diamurid. Because Herakles. Medea's lack of sealed abilities save the Fleece isn't really indicative of her being one such hero though.

[Lycodrake]

A bridle enabling a feat only tangentially related to the heroic spirit and at odds with the legend in the first place, was my point.

You realize that Nasuverse history/legend doesn't match up with "our own", right? And then there's Gilles de Rais summoning Cthulhu.

[Kelnish]

You realize that Nasuverse history/legend doesn't match up with "our own", right? And then there's Gilles de Rais summoning Cthulhu.

I didn't bring it up, and I had no clue that a property featuring a female king arthur took liberties with its source material. What I said holds true for both the Nasuverse and as far as I'm aware most if not all versions of her myth anyway.

[Alulim]

Sell it and make billions?

Wrong. Stud it out and make billions.

[Vigilantia]

Wrong. Stud it out and make billions.

I am now imagining a blinged out Pegasus.

[Lycodrake]

I am now imagining a blinged out Pegasus.

Handsome Jack's Pegasus.

[Zer0light]

Handsome Jack's Pegasus.

butt stallion with wings?

[Kyte]

SUDDENLY AN UPDATE

Now I'll sort the damn thing.