Originally Posted by pinetree
Conjecture. Sorry, but since Nasu himself stated otherwise, I'm gonna need some hard evidence before I buy this...
Conjecture. Sorry, but since Nasu himself stated otherwise, I'm gonna need some hard evidence before I buy this...
Ali ibn Abi Talib
Class: Saber
Other Applicable Classes: Caster, Berserker
Alignment: Neutral Good
Sex: Male
Height: 195 cm
Weight: 122 kg
Armament: Turban, Cloak
STR: A++
CON: C
AGI: A
MGI: B
LCK: B+
Noble Phantasm: A+
Legend
	A prodigy from birth, chosen by Allah to be both the sword and shield of the nascent Islamic faith. The walls of the sacred Kaaba opened before his pregnant mother while she was visiting it on a pilgrimage and did not allow anyone else to enter for three days until he was born. This was only the first sign of his sacred portent. His uncle, the prophet Muhammad, named and raised him into a fine young man.
	The first male to embrace Islam, the closest man to the prophet, the champion of the faith, the lion of Allah. As he grew, more and more blessings were bestowed upon him in order to make him the catalyst for a young faith. As Islam grew into a mighty force, Ali was there on the front lines to defend his faith and his country men. However, his great strength was also a weakness. Every time he would take up a sword, it would be ruined by the end of the battle. His strikes were simply to powerful for mortal steel. In the battle of Uhud, he completely shattered the strongest sword the Muslims had while bisecting a giant Meccan warrior. The defanged lion was ready to lay down his life by fighting off as many as he could with his bare hands, but the battle was interrupted by a divine voice. “There is no hero like Ali!” The voice called out, as the angel Gabriel descended onto the battlefield. In its hands, it held a resplendent sword. “There is no sword like Zulfiqar!” With that final proclamation, it bestowed the divine sword to Ali and flew off. With this mighty sword, Ali singlehandedly drove off the rest of the Meccan forces.
	Ali continued to be the greatest champion as long as he was needed, but he was not a man who reveled in conflict. He slew dragons, demons, and infidels when needed, but he did it all for peace. When the Prophet died, he allowed the favored candidate, Abu Bakr, to succeed as Caliph rather than embroil the people in a worthless civil war. Despite his efforts, however, a civil war erupted during his time as caliph. Five years into his leadership, he was assassinated with a poisoned sword during his morning prayers. Ali forgave his assassin on his deathbed.
Tactics
	Ali, in this manifestation, is not fond of conflict. A younger Ali, another candidate for the Saber class container, would be a machine geared for battle and brutal in his use of Zulfiqar. This version is more a warrior poet than a champion. He compliments his swordsmanship with numerological magecraft and uncanny efficiency. He works best if his master is also a competent fighter. Thanks to his defensive abilities and secondary Noble Phantasm, Bawabat al-’Ilm, Ali can enable a master to fight alongside him, though not on equal grounds, of course. He is loath to take part in certain underhanded tactics, such as poisonings or hostage taking, but surprise attacks are one of his strong suits.
	Ali is fond of quick and powerful mounts. Should he come across a cruiser motorcycle during his involvement in a Grail War, he might just appropriate it for himself.
Alternative Classes
Class Abilities
Magic Resistance: EXDue to being born in the Kaaba, Ali has been blessed with a powerful sacred defense, on par with those of Ruler-class servants. This manifests regardless of his class, but does not function against holy spells, especially not those that derive their power from faith in Allah.Riding: C++
At this rank, most vehicles and animals can be handled with above average skill. However, he cannot ride the likes of Phantasmal Species. Additionally, he gains combat bonuses when escorting another or when in a small, fast vehicle.
Personal Skills
Sacred Lion: AA skill that represents the gifts bestowed upon Ali that helped him protect the adherents of his faith. A composite skill of high ranking Monstrous Strength, Eye of the Mind (False), and Natural Body skills. He is unable to fully control the Monstrous Strength portion of this skill; it will activate whenever he feels strong emotion.Military Tactics: B+
Tactical knowledge used not for one-on-one combat situations, but for battles where many are mobilized. Bonuses are granted when leading a small strike squad against a larger or more powerful foe.Self-Field Defense: D (A)
A power displayed when protecting allies or an allied camp. Normally a Shielder class skill. It exhibits damage reduction surpassing normal defensive limits, but the user is not included. It does not cover much area or many allies, but provides the damage reduction of an A ranked version of the same skill for those it does cover.Numerology (Abjadi): E++
A magecraft system similar to the Hebrew Kabbalah, but using the Arabic written language instead. Using isopsephy, malicious effects can be converted into auspicious ones through manipulation of base “programming.” This skill would have a considerably higher rank under the Caster class container.
Noble Phantasms
Blade of Shimmering Eternity -- Zulfiqar
Rank: A+
Type: Anti-Unit /Anti-Fortress Noble Phantasm
Range: 1~99
Maximum Targets: 1000
	A divine sword that resembles a scimitar. It was handed to Ali by the angel Gabriel after he had shattered his mundane sword by cleaving the greatest fighter of the native Meccan troops, as well as his armor and shield, in a single blow. The sword was returned to the Planet soon after Ali’s death, so he can be said to be the only one truly allowed to carry it. It is an unbreakable sword, which comes in handy for someone with Ali’s raw strength. It’s true purpose, however, is as a “guiding light” for Zulfiqar’s true form, being that of a massive energy blade that’s formed of mankind’s “awe at the unreachable stars above.” Resembling the stars of Orion’s belt, the massive blade follows the swing made to create it. This is the true “division” in Zulfiqar’s nature: a sword that is half of this earth, half of the stars, yet wholly divine. With his strength recklessly put behind the weight of this celestial edge, Ali once nearly destroyed the very planet he swore to protect. Had the angel Gabriel himself not held the blade back, Ali may have actually achieved it. Ali has since learned to restrain himself more, which is why it is no longer classified as Anti-World. A younger Ali might be more reckless.
	Zulfiqar is a Divine Construct and is in the upper echelons of that class of Noble Phantasms. It is a Last Phantasm, a God-forged weapon of celestial provenance. This construct in particular was forged in the upper atmosphere where it collected mankind’s aspirations and the starlight that filled man with wonder. This hope coalesced into a curved sword that can only be described as “serene.” Despite clearly being an implement of war, it only evokes feelings of placid nights and quiet solace. It can be called the crystallization of the prayer named “anchorage” which can create hope, resentment, or even sadness in the hearts of those who gaze upon its blade. It is the reassurance provided by the unchanging stars above. No matter what happens, one can still expect the stars to shine. If there is one blade that can be relied upon to carry a man through every tribulation, it is Zulfiqar.
Gateway of Hidden Potential -- Bawabat al-'Ilm (Gateway of Knowledge)
Rank: C++
Type: Anti-Unit Noble Phantasm
Range: 5
Maximum Targets: Single Target
	A tattoo that appears on Ali’s right shoulder and which extends down to his right palm when “invoked”. The complex linework is actually made of quotes from hadith traditionally attributed to Ali himself. The black inked lines turn gold and emit a soft glow while this Noble Phantasm is in use.
	As the “gateway” to the “house of knowledge,” as declared by the Prophet himself, Ali holds within him the ability to develop the unresolved potential of others. He is able to bestow this raw power upon others by placing his right palm against their upper back. Ali is able to choose the “nature” of his gift, but not the specifics of the gift itself. He may bestow wisdom, Servant skills, or even magic circuits to an individual, but the actual details of what he grants depends wholly on the recipient. A weak magus with the potential to be a great sorcerer may find their circuits modified to be A tier, but someone who has already reached their potential may receive nearly nothing.
Author's Notes
Author's Notes (Servant Usage)
You asked for feedback on Gladios by PM, but I'm going to reply here for ease of reference.
-Her Skills are mostly fine, though Pinetree is right that Memory Correction would probably be better swapped with an original Skill since its effects are totally different from canon.
-Unitos Gladiatoris does way too many things for one NP. It feels like you took a few different NPs from canon Servants (Spartacus's damage absorption, Hundred-Faced Hassan's body splitting and Iskandar's army summon), tinkered with them slightly and then crammed them all together rather then coming up with an original concept. It doesn't help that the description is so meandering and badly written that my eyes nearly glazed over reading it. (No offense)
-Primus Gladius is simple, but fine. The basic concept of an attack that gets stronger the more damage she takes fits her character, and the imagery of all her fellow gladiators adding their weapons to the attack is a cool one.
I'm at mobile, so my English will be rougher than usual, bear with me.
Ali:
Ah yes, Shia's view is fair enough. I do research Shia, Sunni and western view too, and I choose the part that kinda 'neutralish' that doesn't belittle both sides (mostly: 'did this offend you?', 'did I get this Islam-things right?' questions to my friend), since that how mostly canon Servants being presented. (at least, how I see it)
And yours is more fantastical takes on him too, that is also fine. But aren't A++ strength is too much? His feats is more B-rankish if you ask me, the reason why I elevate it to A is a wank from my part. Since a guy with buster sword that can't be broken and swing Broken Phantasms around with ease should be stronger (I think). So, I do wonder what is the reasoning here.
I consider calling Zulfiqar as a Last Phantasm too in my omitted parallel-ing Saber part, but since I barely know what does that means except some name drop in the VN, I just leave it be.
And kinda unrelated, but I like that he is paired up with a Church member.
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Justeaze: Ayyyy~ Much more well developed and put together than the version I put out in the previous thread, I'm a little iffy on some of the choices despite generally liking it.
Giving her a unique, super version of God's Resolution is cool but also making it EX-Rank is strange - maybe its like Pioneer of the Stars in that you either have it at EX-Rank or you don't have it at all, but this seems like a Skill you could leave Rankless and just say "this is what the Skill does, it will only ever belong to Alpha Ruler exactly as it is now so it has no Rank.
I'd also personally probably go with something like Magecraft (Wish Granting) but I suppose an A++ Rank in Alchemy makes her strong enough. Connection to the Root is a bit of an odd choice in my opinion, especially in regards to what it does for her, but its your sheet to do what you want with.
The NP is good and her personality is too, I especially like the fact that Sakura left her mark too, although I feel like the Relationship section is a little hollow.
As I mentioned, I went for a more Shiite approach. The Shias have stories about his supernatural strength. There is one where Ali once nearly split the world asunder with Zulfiqar, and only the full strength of the angel Jibreel was enough to stay the blade; and another where Ali tore off the giant gates to a fortress in Khaybar with his bare hands. There may have been a few more, but I can't remember them right now.
His strength is normally A, but to represent these extreme feats of strength I gave him Monstrous Strength and added the pluses to reflect how his raw force changes with Monstrous Strength active.
The gate part is the one I referring as B rank actually. But I did miss understood tte 'he nearly split the world with Zulfiqar' part and I thought it was more Zulfiqar being awesome than his own physical feats. But I get it now.
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Justeaze: She is quite a fun character but the mechanical part of the sheet doesn't impress me much. This Alpha Ruler class seems really redundant, I think a better choice would be to just make her a Ruler with an extremely special new Class skill, also strange that you didn't give her Goddess' Core considering Iri has it.
Your reason for giving her Discernment of the Poor is quite clever and the effect of the skill definetly fits, but I feel like the theme doesn't, so maybe a new skill with similar effects would've been a better choice. Connection to the Root is just a really weird choice, it kinda fits and I can't think of a better choice but... I don't know, giving this to her is just odd.
Her Noble Phantasm is okay, not amazingly interesting but there's not much you can do without going super crazy anyway.
I mean, 'Black Iri' does also apparently have Connection to the Root, so I felt it would fit. As for Goddess's Core... I actually managed to miss that. Uh.
I'll see about adding that in, I guess. Was a bit iffy about four Personal Skills, but-- yeah, that one probably should be there.
I've never seen any Skills without a rank, except for ones that were completely sealed. I figured EX would do well enough. I could do Wish Granting, but... at this point, we'd be going upwards of five Personal Skills. I try to avoid doing that.
Her personality took a little while to come up with, actually, considering how little we actually see Justeaze in canon; one appearance at the end of Heaven's Feel isn't much to go off of. Then I realized that both Irisviel and Illyasviel turned out reasonably similar, when given the chance to develop (vaguely) normal emotions, and realized that it's not unlikely that Justeaze was ultimately a similar sort of person. The rest flowed somewhat naturally, to my relief.
Relationships... eh. I could add a little paragraph describing things beneath each quote, I guess, but otherwise there's not much I can do. (And I'm pretty sure GO doesn't usually do that...? Eh, I haven't seen enough in there yet, outside of the first Singularity and the wiki; I could be wrong.)
All in all, duly noted; will change things around a bit now.
Last edited by Lethildiren; April 19th, 2018 at 11:39 PM.
Old soul. Where are you going, old soul?行人腕弛い。どこに行きません、行人腕弛い？
Actually, relationship is the hot from GO
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Ali:subhanallah such abs
On a serious note, I'm sad that Numerology (Abjadi) is not Protection of the Sole God. But hey, Numerology.
also thanks for the reminder to rework on that Muhammad sheet!
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now i have rewritten Unitos Gladiatoris,i hope its now better .
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Uncrowned Martial Arts doesn't have a Rank, last I checked. Maybe that changed in F/GO, but as far as I remember it lacked one in both Apocrypha and CCC. Not adding Wish Granting is fine, honestly - I agree that 5 Personal Skills is a bit much - but if you did add it I would probably replace Connection to the Root (its unique effects for her still feel a little strange btw, but whatever) with it. Your sheet, though, and it works without Wish Granting just fine.
My problem wasn't that there weren't descriptions of the relationships, my problem was there it felt like there were relationships missing. Like, you'd restricted the Relationships section to just other Servants - which is understandable - but Justeaze not having a line for Zouken (beyond whats in her Bond Lines) really makes it feel incomplete. Its entirely your decision, but I'd probably include at least some non-Servant relationships in there.Relationships... eh. I could add a little paragraph describing things beneath each quote, I guess, but otherwise there's not much I can do. (And I'm pretty sure GO doesn't usually do that...? Eh, I haven't seen enough in there yet, outside of the first Singularity and the wiki; I could be wrong.)
Funnily enough, all instances of Uncrowned Arms Mastery in FGO are EX Ranked.
nevermind, wrong skill. But yeah, some Skills can have no Rank with enough justifications.
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Fair enough; I swapped out Connection to the Root and spruced up her Relationships a bit. And corrected a minor lore error in her Lore spoiler, too, while we're at it. Still haven't removed the rank for Embodiment of God's Will, but that's only a minor gripe at best, right? Heh.
Old soul. Where are you going, old soul?行人腕弛い。どこに行きません、行人腕弛い？
Please tell me now your oppinion of my "Gladios" Spartacus ,and Bird of Hermes tell me if it has become a mess like you have expected ??
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Ok, since I already said I will read it. It went from absolutely nothing into incomplete, at least an improvement.
I'll immediately comment the NP, which also addresses my common problem to every 'Nameless/random dudes' sheets.
Unitos: Ok, Gladios convert damage into mana, the same thing as Spartacus, this is fine. Then, she can use the mana to summon other gladiators? Sugoi. Then these gladiators will keep multiplying, get stronger and gain new Skills? Holy crap. After multiplying to 100, they can summon a Bounded Field, which summon other heroes like Spartacus and other gladiator commander. Idk why Spartacus become the hero of gladiator rebellion then, when these random gladiators, aka featless fodder, literally have an NP that better than Spartacus, the dude with a legend, in every aspect.
Primus: Every single of the gladiator can Tsubame Gaeshi, period.
But the original name of Collective Experience (Gladiator) legit cracks me up. Because it is a damn clever, if it is being an intentional trolling.
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Also, Spartacus' Ali gives a very interesting and rather mindblowing piece of interpretation that Muhammad once sliced an Ultimate One in half.
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Nah, it just a normal day for Crimson Moon, drinking tea and stuff, then an earthquake happens.
Crimson Moon: The fuck? A moonquake?
Then the moon return into normal. And he is like ?????
Actually this is very bs and I didn't think it through
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The whole 42 seconds where Crimson Moon died. And then because allahu akbar it came back to life.
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