See, again, "poetic license".
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Although I seem to remember someone - Arai? You? - explaining the Nasu logic behind that statement.
See, again, "poetic license".
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Although I seem to remember someone - Arai? You? - explaining the Nasu logic behind that statement.
Vasavi Shakthi should take this, as it was able to kill Sefar in Extella a being of comparable or greater power.Originally Posted by KiritoX
Technically, it was "only" strongly implied it could kill Sefar (the actual outcome isn't shown), and it was Sefar at its base level of power.
base level sefar should be comparable to gugalanna, to be honest
proper sefar is obviously way beyond it
I find that pretty hard to believe. Sefar stage 1 is something Nero/Tamamo/Altera can beat. Nero, Artoria, Raikou and like 6 other servants couldn't harm a partially manifested Bull MK II. According to Vinci and Mashu, Gugalanna could destroy not only the entire singularity in Summer but all of Connacht once finalized. Seems a bit out of Karna/VS's paygrade.
The Sefar we fought in the game is actually stage 3. You can deduce it base on her height in the material book, it's 64m compare to titan Altera's 16m where she should've started at 16m base tall, stage 2 is 32m and stage 3 is 64m...up to 1024m at stage 8 according to the mats entry.
So when Altera was forced to transform by Archimedes, she didn't start at base but stage 3, probably due to already absorbing enough magic energy for that stage throughout the course of the game. This Sefar on the moon also has unlimited growth rate instead of capping at stage 8, as noted in both the mats entry and the illustration not listing her max.
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You forgot that Regalia played a huge role, it's literally grail juice hax. Not to mention Moon Cell's environment allowed its core to be able to be destroyed by Moon Crunch.
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Wasn't the regalia broken at this point thanks to overloading it against Altera?
Nope. Hakuno spent a lot of its resources to either protect Nero or make Tamamo clone for the fight, it still functions normally outside of doing big tasks like that. Moon Crunch OTOH is simply the concentration of all spiritrons in Moon Cell to form the moonlight mystic code to protect and greatly boost their saint graph for limited time. This allows the user to just break Sefar's core without caring about conditions like on Earth. It's basically Moon Cell's answer to her innate protection as the anti-Velber system it designed. If Hakuno had the full Regalia, perhaps Moon Crunch would last much longer than what we got.
Huh. I wish the game proper had showed all that. Thanks!
And boy, that's a huge ego boost to both the Regalia and Vasavi Shakti.
In case of Tamamo, Hakuno said most of the resources the regalia could muster were usedup in making that clone. The rest was used to give her a skill similar to presence concealment.Nero also said the Regalia was broken after pouring all resources into defense.Spoiler:Even if they had enough left, Altera was too strong for them to defeat normally even with the moon crunch. Archimedes said Altera's chance of victory against them individually was about 80%. Altera couldn't even beat Gilgamesh alone. Unless I'm totally misunderstanding the scope of Sefar's stages, something isn't adding upSpoiler:
Nero did not say it was broken, she said it will break,. But it did not, because Sefar literally targets the Regalia after she transformed both routes. And after they won Nero tried to use it to make Hakuno a new body. So no, it was never broken. Its resources also recover as time pass, so I don't doubt it already restored a lot of its resources during those long ass cutscenes.
And again, Moon Crunch takes spiritrons (photons) from the environment in Moon Cell, as long as there is still light within the Moon Cell you can use it. Using the mode doesn't require a lot Regalia resources. It cost a lot in Nero case becuz not only she went into Moon Crunch, Hakuno had to go full defense enhancement on top of it so she can took the Teardrop point blank to survive. If it was not done, normal mode won't be able to withstand the nuke. And normal mode is enough to utilize that crucial defense break function to break Sefar's core, it is anti-Velber for a reason.
Last edited by Lily Emilio; January 24th, 2020 at 07:16 PM.
Question.
How strong is Nobu Alter against non-divine servants, in general? Around what level would you put her at?
Who's Nobu Alter?
Pretty sure he meansMILFDemon Emperor Avenger Nobu.
Then I dunno, probably stronger than regular Nobu vs Servants without Divinity?
Space Astarte vs Goetia
Lu Bu vs. Cu Alter (No Grail)
Last edited by Zork Knight; January 26th, 2020 at 04:23 PM.
Cu Alter can nerf people, high speed regen, super armour and buffed to hell gae bolg
I dont see him losing, especially when he seems to keep all his martial skill
Lu Bu is Chinese Superman, if Superman betrayed everyone he ever worked with at some point.
Insane Loobs fought sun-buffed Gawain and didn't come out of it any worse for wear, if that helps with the comparison. He isn't losing to a pansy OC edgelord non-Grailed Cu.
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Lancer Cu fought Lu Bu to a stalemate in Extra tho, with Rin's quick reflexes actually giving him the advantage.
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