Grand Servant VS Counter Guardian?

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

Nah, I think planet-defending sword fits better, considering what the Grands are even supposed to do.

[RoydGolden]

Nah, I think planet-defending sword fits better, considering what the Grands are even supposed to do.

It depends on whether you interpret a Grand Servant to be the greatest of what their Class specializes in (so Grand Saber would be the greatest swordsman, Grand Caster would be the greatest mage, Grand Berserker would be the greatest at... hulking out and wrecking shit?), or just the greatest Servant who happens to qualify for that particular Class (so, a Servant could qualify as Grand Saber even if they're not necessarily the greatest swordsman, as long they're one of the best Heroic Spirits in general and have a higher aptitude for Saber than any other Class). Given the purpose of Grands, you're right that the latter makes more sense.

Fair enough. I was just going with the former out of personal preference.

[Bugs]

I dunno if an alien was attacking me I'd want the Saber with the beam cannon and not the one that can cut good.

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

It depends on whether you interpret a Grand Servant to be the greatest of what their Class specializes in (so Grand Saber would be the greatest swordsman, Grand Caster would be the greatest mage, Grand Berserker would be the greatest at... hulking out and wrecking shit?), or just the greatest Servant who happens to qualify for that particular Class (so, a Servant could qualify as Grand Saber even if they're not necessarily the greatest swordsman, as long they're one of the best Heroic Spirits in general and have a higher aptitude for Saber than any other Class). Given the purpose of Grands, you're right that the latter makes more sense.

Fair enough. I was just going with the former out of personal preference.

I personally think Grand Berserker would be the embodiment of battle madness or something like that, or perhaps just the strongest warrior of many who embody it.

[Wandering Swordwoman]

yeah like how the Grand Assassin was a pure assassin and not an armored swordsman that can magically blot out the sky and possess others and

He is still an superb Assassin though, any other Assassin are kitten compare to him in a fight and assassination. He beheaded Ozymandias before he can become Ozymandio

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I dunno if an alien was attacking me I'd want the Saber with the beam cannon and not the one that can cut good.

I prefer Saber that can cut it
It's all about preferences. What is Nasu's preference?

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

He is still an superb Assassin though, any other Assassin are kitten compare to him in a fight and assassination. He beheaded Ozymandias before he can become Ozymandio

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I prefer Saber that can cut it
It's all about preferences. What is Nasu's preference?

Considering the alien is likely a giant Titan, I think beam cannon over cut real good.

[forumghost]

What about a Saber that learns to cut so good that it becomes a beam cannon?

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

What about a Saber that learns to cut so good that it becomes a beam cannon?

I'm cool with that.

[Wandering Swordwoman]

Musashi-chan managed to do that. Maybe there are other servants too who can do that

[Blastedspider]

Grand Servant to be the greatest of what their Class specializes in

Both known Grand Caster candidates have problem chanting spells without biting their own tongues.

[Lily Emilio]

Both known Grand Caster candidates have problem chanting spells without biting their own tongues.

Clairvoyance – the ability of the eyes to remain in one place while seeing through to another. Since ancient times, greater beings had left the earth in the care of shamans who utilised this power to safeguard the lives of men. Even the greatest of Magi – holding the thickest of Magic Circuits and capable of conducting the most powerful of rituals – would not be considered an epitome of Thaumaturgy without this ‘sight.’

You can b meh at casting spells but if you had top class Clairvoyance you already got a foot in.

[Iceblade44]

I wonder how high clairvoyance Geronimo has. It's not in his sheet but he can predict the future. I doubt it's on the level of Merlin but it's something I wanted to point out.

[Blastedspider]

You can b meh at casting spells but if you had top class Clairvoyance you already got a foot in.

I know, just saying that you probably don't have to be good at swordplay to qualify as Grand Saber (and face it, it would be Artoria one way or another).

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

I think Grand Berserker would essentially be the tactical nuke of the Grands. Send it to destroy shit when necessary, and once it's done, withdraw it. Whatever it would destroy in the process would likely become permanently devastated.

[You]

I think Grand Berserker would essentially be the tactical nuke of the Grands. Send it to destroy shit when necessary, and once it's done, withdraw it. Whatever it would destroy in the process would likely become permanently devastated.

My secret is that I'm always angry.

[King of Padoru]

Swallow-kun is Grand Rider

[SeiKeo]

is there any way in trying to make grand saber not an excalibur turns out not just as rank contrarianism

[RoydGolden]

is there any way in trying to make grand saber not an excalibur turns out not just as rank contrarianism

...Excuse me?

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

My secret is that I'm always angry.

Good one. Bruce Banner/Hulk as Grand Berserker confirmed.

[Wandering Swordwoman]

I know, just saying that you probably don't have to be good at swordplay to qualify as Grand Saber (and face it, it would be Artoria one way or another).

Hard truth