What is Vasavi Shakti, Pashupata and sun buff Galatine
I read Karna for some reason but still, most probably Rama's GoB lite could pass that too
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Wouldn't Pashupata just Moksha Herk?
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I wonder what rank Rama's Trishula is.
Arjuna doesn't have Vasavi Shakti and I am pretty sure that Pashupata is A+ Ranked (to be fair I have no idea how would it special power work on Herc). Same goes for Brahmastra and Galatine.
I'm not sure why we're thinking some NPs can't take multiple Herc lives despite being above the GH barrier.
All of them should be able to take down Herc, if circumstances go there way. Gawain is said to be greater than King Arthur and if numeral is active and at full power, Excalibur Galatine should be greater than A+++. For Rama, an alternate route has to be used, that is utilizing the weapons from Vishnu Bhuja and increasing his divinity to A+++ as then the rank of the NP should rise to match his divinity. Arjuna is more iffy than the above 2, but Pashupata gives Moksha which could completely bypass God Hand and insta kill him. I agree with you on Sanzang, the Buddha mode could clear via its rank, but the problem with it lies in that it explicitly has bad offenses and if she may no be able to finish of Herc before she goes Stella.
In the UBW anime, a direct hit from an A-Rank Caladbolg II took one life, and I seem to remember reading that Medusa's A+ Bellerophon would take two or three lives. Regardless, there shouldn't be many attacks capable of taking all twelve lives at once (even Caliburn, which is stated to have a firepower comparable to Excalibur, "only" took seven lives).
The problem is Herk can block NPs that would kill him to the point they deal 0 damage, so even if A+ NPs can take multiple lives if he just lets himself get hit,but if he blocks it might go down to 1 or 0.
Saber and Shirou presumably managed to take 7 lives cuz they stabed him with caliburn first,as the naration says he was burned from the inside. So they probably got to roll with advantage and ignore his armor class.
Unless im missremembering him being burned from the inside out.
Exactly, so beaming the core through 2 milimeters of pure herk will deal more damage than beaming through like... 1 foot? of pure herk... Dunno how swole Herk is.
When the VN says you can shield block GB, it doesnt mention if its heart stab or thrown, right? We just assume heartstab cuz of the lack of 50 meter run up.Which leads to the question of can you ThrownBolg from a standstill.
We weren't talking about heroic spirits. We were talking about servants. I mean, you put ishtar in there, didn't you? You also don't need A++ firepower to kill Herc. You just need to take out enough lives in different ways. Take for example, Excalibur can hypothetically shave off 10 lives? Artoria can try to make up for the remaining two by killing Herc in different ways. The NP doesn't have to do all the work.
For those you listed: Arjuna's Pahupata has the same attack power as Karna's (mana buffed) A++ Vasavi Shatki in Extella Link, not counting Moksha which would fuck up Herc something fierce too. He has his own A rank arrows, Mana burst and Agni Gandiva as well.
Rama has Vishnu Buja in addition to Brahmastra and his own strength. Gawain has sun-buff, he's arguably even tougher than Herc. Xuanzang? She's the only one that 100% would take all of Herc's lives in a single hit. Her Final Buddha palm beat Ozy's Amon-Ra. The gates of Camelot was so durable that Lancelot said even the strongest holy sword (Excalibur) couldn't dent it. Sanzou busted it wide open, but she died to do so later. Buddha stuff is OP yo.
https://lparchive.org/Fatestay-night/Update%20295/
It's the heartstab. Nuke doesn't go for the heart.Quote:
In that regard, Lancer's lance is appropriate to be called a Noble Phantasm.
A weapon that always strikes the heart cannot be blocked merely by knowing about it.
If one is to oppose that demonic lance, one must…
Prepare a shield overwhelming the magical energy of the lance,
have great enough luck to change the fate determined by the lance,
or prevent him from using the lance in the first place.
Not too sure if this is the right place to ask, but anyone have an idea of exactly how much of Ishtar and Caster Nero's skillsets are glossed over by FGO?
Because 1, despite all the 'useless goddess' jokes Ishtar still does stuff like creating minor Singularities, shapeshifting and charming other Servants, and converting Venus into a weapon of mass destruction. And 2, Nero's bio in-game mentions things like converting her voice into sonic cannons or something like that? Not to mention the abstract mentions to magecraft teachings.
Well they also said the whole heartstab thing when the throw version was about to be used so ???
https://lparchive.org/Fatestay-night/Update%20208/
…This Noble Phantasm is a throwing attack by nature.
A lance that never misses the heart.
A cursed Noble Phantasm that cannot be avoided and will attack the enemy even if it misses.
That is Gae Bolg, lance of destruction possessed by the hero that never lost in his lifetime.
As it is hurled using all of Lancer's magical energy, it can be neither dodged nor blocked.
The context about Luck makes it pretty clear, since that's the only one where Luck is specifically needed.
With the additional information you're able to parse that passage more clearly.
https://lparchive.org/Fatestay-night...W14-03-139.jpg
The damage and form both come close to that of "Brionac, the Roaring Five Stars" possessed by Lugh, the Celtic God of Light, but its ability of "striking an opponent no matter how many times it is dodged" makes it closer to the chief god of Northern Europe, Odin's "Gungnir, Declaration of Great God".
Yes, the lance Gae Bolg may never miss the heart. But that line doesn't have anything to do with the Thrown version of Gae Bolg, the Noble Phantasm, as seen above. It's just there to remind you it's good at aiming.
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Originally Posted by cm3
Yes but I was referring about how that part in HF could also apply where they sometimes talk about both versions in the same scene (about being able to block heartstab or not)
As you pointed out, yes in the status screen it reads clearly about how it works.
If that passage was referring to thrown as well, that would be implying you can block gae bolg thrown with good luck because gae bolg thrown changes your destiny which it does not. So it cannot be read in such a way because it is only referring thrust in that line.Quote:
Like Lancer, Saber has protection against projectile weapons.
Lancer reads the course of the projectile attack using the sound of cutting air and the enemy's murderous intent.
Saber uses the sound of cutting air and her own instincts.
"Imperceivable attacks" are not much of a threat against heroic spirits.
It is those attacks that cannot be blocked, even when detected and understood, that are the fatal ones.
In that regard, Lancer's lance is appropriate to be called a Noble Phantasm.
A weapon that always strikes the heart cannot be blocked merely by knowing about it.
If one is to oppose that demonic lance, one must…
Prepare a shield overwhelming the magical energy of the lance,
have great enough luck to change the fate determined by the lance,
or prevent him from using the lance in the first place.
Compared to that, Assassin's daggers are easy to manage.
They can be fatal if they strike any vital points, but they are no different from throwing stones.